Could the next iPhone beat BB10 to market?

**OzarkaTexile** · 05-09-2012, 09:17 AM

"Citing sources in the Taiwan technology supply chain, DigiTimes reported on Wednesday that Pegatron Technology has landed orders for Apple's sixth-generation iPhone, which the site believes will be launched in September. Separately, the report also claimed that Foxconn will be responsible for Apple's anticipated 7-inch iPad when it arrives in August."

Apple's next iPhone coming in September, 7" iPad launching in August - report

**brucep1** · 05-09-2012, 09:19 AM

I think RIM has tried to distance itself from the next iPhone as much as possible. They say they are targeting specific markets with their next gen devices. Hopefully there is enough room for both.

**Cozmik** · 05-09-2012, 09:27 AM

If they (Apple) release a 7" iPad, I wonder what else they may do that Mr.Job's said would never happen? As you may recall he stated that there was no market for a 7" tablet.

**NJPhilliesPhan** · 05-09-2012, 09:28 AM

The IPhone will continue to be the leader and I doubt that Apple is even concerned about BB. BB10 will have to start winning customers over and build a comparable eco system. It won't happen over night but it can happen.

**NJPhilliesPhan** · 05-09-2012, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Cozmik

If they (Apple) release a 7" iPad, I wonder what else they may do that Mr.Job's said would never happen? As you may recall he stated that there was no market for a 7" tablet.

Markets change and the successful companies change along with them.

**kbz1960** · 05-09-2012, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by NJPhilliesPhan

Markets change and the successful companies change along with them.

Right it's easy to say when no one else is doing it either. Someone else does it and it works then you retract or deny lol.

**OzarkaTexile** · 05-09-2012, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by NJPhilliesPhan

Markets change and the successful companies change along with them.

Mike Lazaridis on the iPhone in November 2007: "Try typing a web key on a touchscreen on an Apple iPhone, that's a real challenge. You cannot see what you type"

All The Dumb Things RIM's CEOs Said While Apple And Android Ate Their Lunch - Business Insider

I still don't know what a "web key" is.

**brucep1** · 05-09-2012, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Cozmik

If they (Apple) release a 7" iPad, I wonder what else they may do that Mr.Job's said would never happen? As you may recall he stated that there was no market for a 7" tablet.

If you recall, One of RIM's Co-CEO's said that they'd never distribute a phone that had mp3 capability to play music. Now, a phone wouldn't release without that capability.

Times change, CEO's make mistakes. I'm sure even the great Steve Jobs made some poor decisions in his time.

**VeGiTo** · 05-09-2012, 10:38 AM

I hope iPhone launches before BB10. If iPhone launches after BB10, it can potentially cut short the BB10 hype. But if it launches before BB10, then it will clear the way for BB10 and perhaps the excitement for BB10 can last all the way to Christmas. Remember, iOS is the old kid now. I fully expect that the excitement surrounding iPhone's launch to be overshadowed by BB10 IF BB10 happens after the iPhone.

Samsung Galaxy S3 already launched, so there are really no other major launches on the radar that can challenge BB10.

**supraking** · 05-09-2012, 11:16 AM

Meh, there's going to be nothing new in the new iPhone anyway. Look at the new iPad. They got nada. They're going to launch a 7" because people want portability, the iPad is just too bulky. But iPhone? They're stretched to their limits, it's basically just there so all the iPhone 3/3G/4 people can upgrade to something new when their terms expire. But if there's a hot BB10 phone out, it provides an opportunity to win some customers back.

It's funny, everyone I know who switched to an iPhone from a BlackBerry regrets it. I say give it a couple of years and we'll see things start to move in the opposite direction again.

**morlock_man** · 05-09-2012, 11:19 AM

They need an OS upgrade before they'll be competitive again.

I'm excited to see the difference in battery life between RIM's first BB10 phone and the iPhone/Android leaders of the day.

**Rello** · 05-09-2012, 11:36 AM

I don't really see it making too much of a difference either way. BB10 won't be a threat sales wise to the iPhone. The people that want the iPhone will wait for it regardless, and the same can be said for future BB10 users. People gotta understand that it most likely will take RIM years to gain marketshare....as it did with Apple in the beginning. If and only if BB10 is as compelling as it sounds, will RIM have a chance. I really hope they have learned from all their past mistakes and can put these acquisitions and partnerships together to form a wonderful ecosystem

**louzer** · 05-09-2012, 12:03 PM

Whenever it's done it should he released - and no sooner. We've seen what happened when they tried to rush the Playbook to market. They should just focus on what they're doing and not what Apple is doing.

**mandony** · 05-09-2012, 12:11 PM

LOL.
Who cares.
RIM does what RIM does.
Apple does what Apple does.
Google Android phone makers do what Google Android phone makers do.
There will always be the next generation tech product in the wings.
Anyone who does not know this is not old enough to have seen advances in tech during recent, and to some not recent, time

**addicted44** · 05-09-2012, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Cozmik

If they (Apple) release a 7" iPad, I wonder what else they may do that Mr.Job's said would never happen? As you may recall he stated that there was no market for a 7" tablet.

Steve Jobs also said there would be no video ipods. Apple is very willing to change strategies when their current one isn't working, something Heins seems to realize but the co-CEOs never did and hurt RIM badly.

**sam_b77** · 05-09-2012, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by NJPhilliesPhan

Markets change and the successful companies change along with them.

That is one apologetic post if there was any.Steve Jobs was on record saying that a 7" tablet is DOA. That is gospel for iFans. And now you talk about changing market realities?? Go figure. So if Apple copies the competition despite saying the competition has it wrong then it's genius. But the competition was still wrong?? Cmon man, give credit where it's due.

**anthogag** · 05-09-2012, 01:58 PM

They will both release at around the same time. This will show how good the new CMO is

Because release dates are so close they could get a bunch of iPhone waiters to wait for BB10...advertise a new cool BB experience, it could prove to be irresistible

**Blackberry_boffin** · 05-09-2012, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Rello

I don't really see it making too much of a difference either way. BB10 won't be a threat sales wise to the iPhone. The people that want the iPhone will wait for it regardless, and the same can be said for future BB10 users. People gotta understand that it most likely will take RIM years to gain marketshare....as it did with Apple in the beginning. If and only if BB10 is as compelling as it sounds, will RIM have a chance. I really hope they have learned from all their past mistakes and can put these acquisitions and partnerships together to form a wonderful ecosystem

At this point it's naive to expect BB10 to make a dent on the next Iphone (even the original Iphone took a while to affect the BB) but the widespread talk and hype that surrounds an Iphone release nowadays could swamp and smother any talk of a BB10 device so hard that few will notice it. Right now RIM needs people to talk about it long enough to be noticed and gain traction. For all its good things to be given enough 'airtime'.
So yes the Iphone will be a huge factor.

**mmcpher** · 05-09-2012, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by addicted44

Steve Jobs also said there would be no video ipods. Apple is very willing to change strategies when their current one isn't working, something Heins seems to realize but the co-CEOs never did and hurt RIM badly.

Jobs had a history of being a fount of deliberate disinformation when it suited his strategic and tactical needs. He likely said there was no market for a 7 inch tablet simply because he wasn't selling any that size and was trying to influence the mob that only an Ipad sized tablet was viable. If you will recall, about a year or so before he launched the Ipad and Apple's ebook app with tremendous fanfare, Jobs declared that there was no ebook market and that no one read anymore anyway. He didn't wink when he said that and didn't apologize or correct himself later, when he had "reveresed" himself. The more interesting question to me is there a market for a 10 inch Playbook?

**brucep1** · 05-09-2012, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by sam_b77

That is one apologetic post if there was any.Steve Jobs was on record saying that a 7" tablet is DOA. That is gospel for iFans. And now you talk about changing market realities?? Go figure. So if Apple copies the competition despite saying the competition has it wrong then it's genius. But the competition was still wrong?? Cmon man, give credit where it's due.

What credit? Blackberry made a 7 inch tablet, and Apple is rumored to make a 7inch tablet, so credit should be given?

Steve jobs said a 7 inch tablet is DOA. It's not, the Kindle Fire sold very well, all things considered. So, Steve was wrong. What's your point?

**dandbj13** · 05-09-2012, 03:16 PM

I would say that if RIM's success is dependent on what a competitor does, it has already lost. Just pack it up and go home. The BB10 devices have to stand up on their own, without hoping that a competitor slips up, or leaves an opening. You create your own opening and make others react to you. If RIM and its supporters are worried, I suggest you eat a little more opportunity for breakfast. RIM is either in business, or its not.

**Mystic205** · 05-09-2012, 04:38 PM

could it?.. it will.. no *could* about it

**Moonbase0ne** · 05-09-2012, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by supraking

Meh, there's going to be nothing new in the new iPhone anyway. Look at the new iPad. They got nada. They're going to launch a 7" because people want portability, the iPad is just too bulky. But iPhone? They're stretched to their limits, it's basically just there so all the iPhone 3/3G/4 people can upgrade to something new when their terms expire. But if there's a hot BB10 phone out, it provides an opportunity to win some customers back.

It's funny, everyone I know who switched to an iPhone from a BlackBerry regrets it. I say give it a couple of years and we'll see things start to move in the opposite direction again.

How can you say the next, what ever, will offer nothing new? We don't even have a release date. Going by what Apple did in the past? Maybe, but I'm sure Apple knows the next iPhone has to offer, something new.

And, I know people who Derick from BB and came running back, and I also know people who don't regret leaving BB for one second.

**leftypepper716** · 05-10-2012, 07:53 AM

I'm pretty sure the next iphone will launch in Sept-Oct range. The true BalckBerry diehard and even those who are still undecided, will possibly wait another month just to compare the iphone 5S? or 6? to the BlackBerry OS10 device. I was just hoping for RIM's sake they could have had a fully functioning BB OS10 ready to be released in early June, just after BBW 2012, to really get some push for the device. Now that RIM has thrown down the full touchscreen over 4" device gauntlent, Against whatever Apple, Samsung and HTC have planned around then, reamins to be seen. If? it can get carrier support and an intial 2-3 month long high sales, then just maybe, BlackBerry can breath a sigh of relief.

**yauchunh** · 05-11-2012, 10:09 PM

Why should RIM be afraid of the 'NEW' iphone?

or better yet..

the iphone 4s-II?

It will probably be a thicker, heavier version of iphone4s with a 'super' retina display, even worse battery life, and twice the cost.