- 12-28-12, 02:08 AM #101
I dont have a WP.
- 12-28-12, 02:46 AM #104
Microsoft not only has money, also has: Windows, Windows Server, Active Directory, Office, Office 365, Skydrive, Skype, Azure, Sharepoint, .NET, etc.
And that is the small problem, the big problems are Apple, Google and Amazon.
I think RIM is too small to fight this war, if BB10 is a competent software the most probable future is an acquisition by Samsung or Amazon. If isn't that good, RIM will be acquired by a patent troll and BB10 to the open source ****.
- 12-28-12, 06:04 AM #106
As far as I - and many others - know and say, by moving to the NT kernel and ensuring very easy porting between Windows 8 Metro and WP8, Microsoft's making all the right moves. Most complaints by reviewers are due to the much lower app count than their main competitors. If you scoff at this, consider the fact that at 150,000 apps. that's way more than 50000 apps more than BB10 will launch with out of the gate.
The hardware so far has been fantastic (Lumia 920 and 8X are both excellent devices) and Microsoft has done a very good job of quashing most of the early bugs.
It's always hilarious when people here make fun of the WP 8 launch bugs...as if those aren't infinitely more benign than the spontaneous bricking that afflicted many of the 9900/9930 devices last year.
I don't plan on getting a WP device anytime soon. My Galaxy Note II and my Bold 9900 is my preferred combo for now. I do wish them well though...the more the merrier, I say.
If the Android player on BB10 is any good, after I get my BB10 device at launch (and throw away this abysmal 9900) I may consider getting rid of the dedicated Android phone and dabbling into something else like WP. We'll see.
- CrackBerry Abuser
12-28-12, 06:35 AM #107
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We'll get back to you when RIM announces their fiscal Q2. Then we will see who has more acceptance in the market. Symbian and Windows Mobile users did NOT upgrade en masse to Windows Phone. Will BlackBery customers? We'll see, but I would bet RIM has a higher rate of retention of it's existing customers then Symbian and Windows Mobile put together. Which is really really sad because Symbian alone was 1/3 of the entire smart Phone Market, and now those people have android phones.
I have passion, but I'm not blind in my passion. I've used every platform out there for the last 15 years including Windows Mobile and Phone 7 and 8. But even if you love Windows Phone, or if you don it makes no difference, you have to admit that it has been a flop thus far and the only thin keeping ANY momentum on the platform is Microsoft throwing money at it. The commercials don't appeal to me, but you can't escape them in Prime time. AT&T stores have them prominently displayed and there's even a commercial for Windows Phone in the hold music when you call them. Microsoft is pushing it with everything they have, and yet no one will reveal the numbers. That means the numbers still aren't there. Wait for this update, wait for this carrier, wait, wait wait wait wait.... That's all we keep being told about a platform that has been ON THE MARKET for over two years.
I get that BlackBerry users have had their share of waiting. But it's waiting for the new platform to be launched. No one really knows if BB 10 will sink or float in the market yet because we've spent the last two years waiting for it. The Playbook too. It was launched half baked and we're still waiting for things that were promised before launch. but we draw hope from the signs that things are being done differently at RIM today then they were a couple years ago. There are also things I hate about BlackBerry 10. I personally think the home screen is rather uninspired and generic. I hate the "Action Bar". I loath the force field around the icons. I don't think Active frames need to have the name of the app pinned under them because if they are made as intended I should know what app I'm looking at from the information displayed in the frame, so the name plate is redundant and a sign that RIM is not confident in developers doing a good job with Active frames. If you had side by side screenshots of the sub menus in BB 7.1 and BB 10, most would swear the were looking at BB 7.5 cause really all that's changed is the graphic beside the descriptions that are still on a white background. I'm also disappointed that themes will not be allowed on BlackBerry 10 and think that is a very poor choice by RIM. Not only do current BlackBerry users like themes, but Android users do as well. So for the new platform to be rigid and un-customizable, risks potential upgrades and converts that enjoy personalizing more then the outside of their phone.
So while I will still be buying BB 10 on launch day, I think there is much room for improvement in the platform in BB 11 and 12. But still, the BlackBerry solution with BlackBerry 10 still looks to be the most complete for what I need in a mobile computer so I will be sticking it out through the transition and the BlackBerry "_____" Z10 will be my next phone.
- 12-28-12, 08:16 AM #108
If I were you, I would not be so confident in betting the platform would be outsold by BB10. We'll see.
Why do you expect numbers to be out before the next earnings call? Since when does RIM ever release any numbers?
incremental updates are a part of modern smartphone life, amirite?
The weakest chink in WP8's armour is app support/ecosystem. Guess which other upcoming mobile OS shares this same Achilles heel?
- 12-28-12, 10:16 AM #112
Could BlackBerry 10 kill Windows Phone?
I really dont want Nokia to lose out on the race.... Both BB and Nokia are good phones... I hope RIM and Nokia do well in 2013...
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- 12-28-12, 10:17 AM #113
I have already posted there and I only repeat myself : the best thing is to hope that both WP8 and BB10 do well to reduce the Android and iOs shares. A well balanced-marker of 4 or 5 big players is much better than a duopoly where challengers fight each and die.
That's why I think that Microsoft commits a huge error by not letting the Skype into BB10. Even if it isn't so and they would let it in, but they are not interested, this is a mistake as well : Windows Phone needs a strong BB and weakened Android and iOs.
- 12-28-12, 10:52 AM #115
Skype is practically guaranteed to come out for BB10...at the very worst, there's always the upcoming browser based version which should run on nay HTML 5 device and doesn't require any plugins ( i think)
- 12-28-12, 01:23 PM #117
CE n'est pas bon
After a decade of trying, WinCE has done little to push the state of the art, and nothing to enrich Microsoft. The company reports having lost over half a billion dollars from its Mobile and Embedded Devices segment over the last four years, which includes sales of both WinCE and Embedded Windows.
In 2006, the segment brought in 2 million in profit (partly from pushing some of its losses into the MSN group), but Microsoft apparently isn’t impressed. It has announced that for 2007, it will start reporting WinCE devices as part of its Entertainment and Devices group, rather than breaking each out separately, as they are above.
- 12-28-12, 02:32 PM #118
Sometimes it isn't just about profits...Xbox was considered a success yet the entertainment division lost money constantly for Microsoft for years and years.
Microsoft loses money with Bing too...yet they are only too glad to trumpet each percentage point of marketshare they wrest away from Google.
The smartphone sector wasn't as small or niche as you try to paint it. There were tens of millions of devices sold even then.
the::unwired - EXPECTATIONS: Microsoft sees Windows Mobile Smartphone growth up 50 %
Reports Microsoft sold 11 million units of the WM software in the 2007/08 fiscal year. That's much more than the 'one million devices' you mention. Care to address this disconnect?
- 12-28-12, 04:15 PM #120
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- CrackBerry Abuser
12-28-12, 07:35 PM #122
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Could BlackBerry 10 kill Windows Phone?
Why stop @ Windows? Why not iphone 5? Seriously if RIM through developers put out enough quality apps,BB10's could well make some serious in roads on those two. I thought the i5 was a pretty ordinary effort that has had alot of bad quality control and app issues. Apple is ripe for the picking!
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- CrackBerry Abuser
12-28-12, 08:12 PM #123
- 406 Posts
- 12-29-12, 01:38 AM #125
Re: Could BlackBerry 10 kill Windows Phone?
BB10 will not nearly catch up to iOS on the app front for ages. Certainly not in 2013...And many big name apps will remain missing for a while to come.
Apple products still have the highest customer satisfaction ratings in the industry so you won't make many inroads there. Not to mention there's no low priced BB10 device on the horizon to wrest sales from those who find apple devices too expensive
Android market share is much more vulnerable to erosion. There are way too many slow, laggy older devices still in play and a whole load of the average consumers who bought into Android didn't buy it because of customizations. Lots of people buy because they like the hardware, the screen size was excellent and because their carrier didn't have the Iphone. There's growth in these areas.
Worrying for RIM, I don't see BB10 making any meaningful impact in the important Chinese market just yet. Too expensive... And no word on any deal with any of the big Chinese carriers.
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