BlackBerry voted second most aspirational Brand in India!

[deathwalkr]

Well at least here in India, RIM must be doing something right.

"BlackBerry voted second most aspirational Brand in India!"

The link:
http://in.blackberry.com/BRANDWAGON-...r-2011-2_1.pdf

[flash24]

RIM is huge in other countries, this doesn't surprise me.

[daveycrocket]

Originally Posted by deathwalkr

Well at least here in India, RIM must be doing something right.

"BlackBerry voted second most aspirational Brand in India!"

The link:
http://in.blackberry.com/BRANDWAGON-...r-2011-2_1.pdf

With no disrepect meant, I think that the world in general does provide RIM with a huge user base but financial institutions seem to be blinkered as to the US market, no doubt this comment will produce protest, and the US market is big but I wonder now if it is begining to not reflect the rest of the world's trends, certainly in my own country, the UK, Blackberry is doing quite well. I also feel that some of the share price issue may be as a result of a slump in US markets.

No disrespect Guys

[deathwalkr]

Well out here in India, Apple aint all that strong except in Tablets and MP3 players.

Apple loses to BlackBerry in Indian market - The Times of India

a bit old data i know but should give an indication
"Apple accounted for 2.6% of India's smartphone shipments in the quarter ended June 30, trailing RIM's 15%, Samsung Electronics' 21% and Nokia's 46%, IDC estimates."

[scalemaster34]

Originally Posted by daveycrocket

With no disrepect meant, I think that the world in general does provide RIM with a huge user base but financial institutions seem to be blinkered as to the US market, no doubt this comment will produce protest, and the US market is big but I wonder now if it is begining to not reflect the rest of the world's trends, certainly in my own country, the UK, Blackberry is doing quite well. I also feel that some of the share price issue may be as a result of a slump in US markets.

No disrespect Guys

If you look at the US Market as a whole and at RIM.... RIM is following it's own path to the bottom. RIM's stock does fluctuate along with the rest of the Market, but the 70% drop is all theirs.

And you have to wonder if RIM is doing so great all over the world, and is EXPECTED to continue to do good... why aren't foreign investors jumping on these low prices for RIM's stock?

[DannyAves]

Originally Posted by daveycrocket

With no disrepect meant, I think that the world in general does provide RIM with a huge user base but financial institutions seem to be blinkered as to the US market, no doubt this comment will produce protest, and the US market is big but I wonder now if it is begining to not reflect the rest of the world's trends, certainly in my own country, the UK, Blackberry is doing quite well. I also feel that some of the share price issue may be as a result of a slump in US markets.

No disrespect Guys

Perhaps if RIM was located a few hundred miles to the south the American media might treat them a bit differently.

[West Coast Flavor]

I think the United states is the only place you can get an iPhone for 200 bucks. Not sure. But if that's the case I wouldn't be shocked if rim became the tony Montana of the smartphone world. Cheaper price, great product. Bow!

[sam_b77]

Originally Posted by scalemaster34

If you look at the US Market as a whole and at RIM.... RIM is following it's own path to the bottom. RIM's stock does fluctuate along with the rest of the Market, but the 70% drop is all theirs.

And you have to wonder if RIM is doing so great all over the world, and is EXPECTED to continue to do good... why aren't foreign investors jumping on these low prices for RIM's stock?

Because that's not how stock markets work.
Foreign investors are not long term partners in a company (actually neither are local investors, that is just theory). Foreign investors buy a stock to make a short term to mid term profit. They are not in it for the long haul.

Also no one wants to seem to be second guess the US Institutional investors. And not to forget that the big ticket investors in the global market are usually American Investors. Generally American Investors and Hedge Funds are the big "foreign investors" in the globe.

[rootbrain]

Originally Posted by scalemaster34

If you look at the US Market as a whole and at RIM.... RIM is following it's own path to the bottom. RIM's stock does fluctuate along with the rest of the Market, but the 70% drop is all theirs.

And you have to wonder if RIM is doing so great all over the world, and is EXPECTED to continue to do good... why aren't foreign investors jumping on these low prices for RIM's stock?

Because with constant delays, pushing out interim solutions with substandard hardware and functionality (even though with good build quality) RIMM has not shown that it can deliver. They are like Nokia and regardless of the number of users in emerging markets, they, and their stock in response, will flounder.

And remember, one of the reasons that Blackberry is still a viable alternative in places like India, China, Indonesia is because they haven't the network (LTE/4G) infrastructure to take advantage of the new technology. It's coming but not yet ready for prime time. The North American and European markets are better situated for the fast pace of the new tech. That's why Google I think will win. They're nimble and working with multitudes of manufacturers on bringing 4G to the masses. iOS just wants to stay
and Blackberry was blindsided, like Nokia and Palm before it.

[BBMforLife]

Congrats but it should be number 1!

[addicted44]

I wouldn't hang my hat on a country where Nokia is the biggest seller. I mean, despite it's troubles, RIM is doing a lot better than Nokia.

Apple doesn't do well in India because they frankly don't care about the market. They have 0 Apple Stores and no plans to build any. They are almost completely priced out of the market (the 3GS is selling at 4 times the price of the cheapest Android phones).

RIM's only worry in India is Android, but I don't think Android can dent the hold BBM has here. Also, the networks are terrible (especially at data. We seem to be stuck at Edge speeds) so Android/iOS's main advantages (internet browsing, and apps, many of which depend on the Internet) are nullified.

[anthogag]

I saw a graph showing a breakdown of RIM shareholders and it looks like it's all north american. This would explain why a decline in this market is scaring investors even though RIM is doing well in other parts of the world. These investors see the US as the leading country and they assume what happens there dictates what happens everywhere else.

i.e. 'if you can make-it in the US you can make it anywhere'

[sam_b77]

Originally Posted by rootbrain

Because with constant delays, pushing out interim solutions with substandard hardware and functionality (even though with good build quality) RIMM has not shown that it can deliver. They are like Nokia and regardless of the number of users in emerging markets, they, and their stock in response, will flounder.

And remember, one of the reasons that Blackberry is still a viable alternative in places like India, China, Indonesia is because they haven't the network (LTE/4G) infrastructure to take advantage of the new technology. It's coming but not yet ready for prime time. The North American and European markets are better situated for the fast pace of the new tech. That's why Google I think will win. They're nimble and working with multitudes of manufacturers on bringing 4G to the masses. iOS just wants to stay
and Blackberry was blindsided, like Nokia and Palm before it.

By your logic the 2g iPhones should be selling like hot cakes in India. They are not. No one even bothers with iPhones.2g or 3g. Retailers don't even stock them for one because the sales are so poor.

India is fully 3g enabled and the iPhone 4s and iPhone 4 is a blink and you miss device. As for LTE, even the US isn't fully LTE enabled, so the LTE myth is neither here nor there. And by the time US is 60% LTE enabled, India will be 90% LTE enabled, simply because the Indian carriers are far bigger and richer than US carriers and they don't have legacy infrastructure to pay off
They have the money to buy the best when they want to.
Won't be long before Chinese and Indian carriers buy some American Carriers. They just dont have the economies of scale to exist in the global markets.

[deathwalkr]

Originally Posted by addicted44

I wouldn't hang my hat on a country where Nokia is the biggest seller. I mean, despite it's troubles, RIM is doing a lot better than Nokia.

Apple doesn't do well in India because they frankly don't care about the market. They have 0 Apple Stores and no plans to build any. They are almost completely priced out of the market (the 3GS is selling at 4 times the price of the cheapest Android phones).

RIM's only worry in India is Android, but I don't think Android can dent the hold BBM has here. Also, the networks are terrible (especially at data. We seem to be stuck at Edge speeds) so Android/iOS's main advantages (internet browsing, and apps, many of which depend on the Internet) are nullified.

Apple does have their stores in India. They have their premium resellers and authorised resellers as well. But yes agree with you on the price part and the fact that they do not seem to care about the Indian market. Good for RIM i say

[Doc Z]

RIM's success in other countries will change soon as well, Apple and Android will do the same thing in other countries as they did in the US sooner or later.