- 11-28-12, 03:42 AM #126
LOL android LOL
Arent you guys too busy flashing ROMs and cosutmizing your devices or whatever it is you do to be posting here.
I'm definitely going to stick with a real company and not some hack company who can't even license their software if they wanted to. 'Droid will have a titanic fall and none of you will seeing it coming.
The one thing I thought would be cool on android is widgets, but they're not. They're lame.
The Native BB10 browser will be amazng. RIM is highly motivated in this area. Googs advantage is apps so they don't care, its great the dolphin does well but guess what, if it runs on 'droid it can run on BB10, and likely better. The only reason andriod is anything special right now is cause all the OEMs out there needed something to compete with apple and they created android along with carriers and then the devs followed. Its as simple as OEMs waking up the the cess pool android is or carriers on a whim deciding they want to support something else, and android would become a sad memory in the tech world. Goog knows this, why you think they bought moto? Those patents have done zero for them or other OEMs. But I'm probably losing you here, since we're not talking about flashing ROMs, widgets, specs or customisation.
Best thing, BB used to be the bottom of the barrel for their browser. Now they are right on top.
- 11-28-12, 06:22 AM #127
So hurds, back to the subject of this thread, what specific things can you enumerate, that makes the BB10 the best web browser on any mobile platform?
Aside from you, no one has even brought up "flashing ROMs, widgets, specs or customisation", patents, licensing, and whether or not Google is a "hack company". These are all irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The only semi-relevant argument in your post above is that "The Native BB10 browser will be amazng. RIM is highly motivated in this area. " This argument is frankly laughable. Can you give some more specific examples of the amazingness? For an example of specifics, I refer to you to this post:
a list of browser features unique to Android .
Regarding you claim that "Goog doesn't care" about the browser, here's an announcement the Chrome team made just yesterday: "We expect an update to Chrome for Android starting with a developer update to happen before the end of the year, and we’re actively working towards aligning releases across all platforms, including Android, starting early next year.” If BB10 is even moderately successful, maybe Google will port Chrome to BB10. Chrome already runs on Windows, Mac, Linux, iOS, Android, and I think Windows 8. I believe that covers everyone except Blackberry or Bada. Here's a link to the Chrome team page in case you want to request a port. You can petition the Dolphin folks as well.
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- 11-28-12, 06:41 AM #128
I believe the Blackberry browser has been the most HTML5 compatible browser since the original BB webkit browser was introduced in the 9800 over 2 years ago. I don't know of many who would say it's been the "best web browser" since that time. As a few have already pointed out, HTML5 compatibility does not necessarily translate to a great browsing experience. Basically HTML5 compatibility on the obscure elements is a "meh" feature. Going forward, it's possible that the new browser in BB10 will be the "best web browser" in the market, but if the past is any indication of the future, it's a highly suspect possibility.
- 11-28-12, 06:53 AM #129
Why doesn't someone PM Bla1ze or someone with a dev unit and ask them how it compares to their other devices?Sent from me using my fingers. Be pantless in 5K. Febreze - for more than smells.
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- 11-28-12, 07:50 AM #130
Bla1ze, can you satisfy some of our curiosity here? How does the BB10 pre-release browser perform on the Microsoft's Aston Martin, Fishie, Fishbowl html5 tests? Links on the previous page. Can you also try the ringmark and sunspider test?
- 11-28-12, 09:32 AM #131
I completely agree that real world usage says more than any benchmark scores. Dolphin used to be my favorite browser. I've tried most of them, and I always keep going back to Dolphin. But lately I'm getting crashes and the rendering of some pagese has gotten funky. Is mine an isolated incident? Maybe. And the fact is that as of now we can only speculate that the BB10 browser will be amazing. Signs are sure pointing that way, though.
I agree with hurds about RIM being highly motivated to produce a spectacular browser, although I disagree with his needless and misguided anti-Android rhetoric. They've talked this thing up enough that they must deliver.Everyone, everyone, stop fighting! Look unto me! I possess the blue flag! I wield the power infinite! The universal fabric is mine to unravel! My every thought becomes reality! Mountains will fall! Seas will boil! Day will be at night! People will...run...chicks'll dig me!
- 11-28-12, 03:38 PM #132"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all." -Sam Ewing
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- 11-28-12, 05:29 PM #133
BTW I installed the official AdBlock Plus app. Works great so far, blocks ads in browsers as well as apps. It doesn't even leave an empty spot where the ads used to be.
- CrackBerry Abuser
11-29-12, 05:49 PM #134
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If a company sells a product with no market share, does it really exist? Gotta love the spin here. Android sells because of some wierd collusion or conspiracy but BB10 is going to blow it out of the water because its browser is better in one unnoticible way. LOL
- CrackBerry Abuser
11-29-12, 07:19 PM #135
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- 11-29-12, 07:52 PM #136
It isnt even close when compared with Android's browser. Chrome on Android 4.2.1 performs much better than my Dev Alpha's browser and the sad part is that the standard AOSP browser out performs Chrome by along shot. So much so that I actually deleted Chrome from my rooted Nexus 4 and went straight to the stock browser.
The stock Android browser may not have as high of a HTML 5 score, but it is much more usable than the current BB10 browser. On my Nexus 4 (or almost any current android device) the stock browser doesn't lag, you can scroll engadgets desktop website from top to bottom with no checkerboarding and it offers a ton of features.
In my opinion, RIM needs to forget worrying so much about the HTML 5 score and start trying to making a browser that people will actually want to use.
- CrackBerry Abuser
11-30-12, 12:30 AM #137
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Someone in another thread made a good point that RIM never asked for your loyalty to their product. I suppose it is because they never cared what you wanted or about users or clients or investors or anyone. They seem to just do whatever they want whenever they get around to it.
HTML 5 scores are absolutely useless. Web designers will make sure things work on Androids and iPhones. If something doesn't work right on a more compliant browser, it will be irrelevent.
- 12-01-12, 12:40 AM #138I'm trying to be nicer. If I say something that's not very nice, feel free to remind me
- 12-01-12, 06:51 AM #139
- 12-01-12, 06:53 AM #140
- 12-01-12, 07:50 AM #141
Do you have Dev Alpha A or B? I never said the browsers were made the same, I said the perform similarly and they do. Scrolling and pinch to zoom on the latest Dev Alpha browser is slow and content can't keep up with your actions. I called it checkerboarding, but the latest OS doesn't have the check board patteren. Now its just white boxes where certain sections need more time to load than others. Also, the zoom ability is really freaky. On this website, you can zoom really far out past the borders of the site making black edges show up around the page. Then it lags and keeps you there for a few seconds before allowing you to make the page full screen like you originally wanted. The latest build does let you edit bookmarks though, finally. So that's one huge complaint that they addresses.
Otherwise, meh its nothing great. I don't think any one that has used a current smartphone will be overly impressed. Its not some magical browser that blows everyone else's away, its just a sorda catch up. The BlackBerry faithful that are upgrading from a OS 5 curve are gonna love it, but if things arent improved dramatically, iPhone and Android users will see BB10's browser as a downgrade with one impressive stat that no one really cares about.
- 12-01-12, 08:50 AM #142
The same is true in the Playbook. Only the topmost layer is written in Adobe Air. There is just no way that Air can render the web frame itself.
- 12-01-12, 11:37 AM #143
I had to chill and be sure. I just tested, side by side. Another world it is.
P.S: just added another test with another dev Alpha (previous beta). Current is faster, more reactive.
- 12-01-12, 11:41 AM #144
Last edited by Superfly_FR; 12-01-12 at 11:43 AM. Reason: Wrong quote, sry.
- 12-01-12, 11:55 AM #145
I guess we agree to disagree
Last edited by Saiga; 12-01-12 at 03:33 PM.
- 12-01-12, 12:00 PM #147
DevAlpha's browser is HTML5 based, PlayBook is Air based. And if you've never heard about BB10 browser goodness ... then we do not follow the same TW. BB10 browser IS an HTML5 web app ... probably the greatest one as of date.
Edit: mike and I posted at the same time.
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