[jamezalexander]

Blackberry 10 being delayed was a major shake up to the RIM/Blackberry faithful. I still look at BB10's release as positive as it will push competitors to innovate. However the the delay really effects RIM. Can they bring a compelling product to market in 2013?

We've all seen the comparisons of BB10 to MeeGO. And unsurprisingly:

"A group of ex-Nokia staff and MeeGo enthusiasts has formed Jolla (Finnish for "dinghy"), a mobile startup with the aim of bringing new MeeGo devices to the market. According to its LinkedIn page, Jolla consists of "directors and core professionals from Nokia’s MeeGo N9 organization, together with some of the best minds working on MeeGo in the communities."

CAN RIM BUY THIS TEAM OUT PLEASE...........

The competitons is ready and set to step on you RIM. It's about executing BB10 and if what BB10 IS is already duplicated by your competition what's the point?
Motorola and Samsung both now have really nice data encrypted phones, the new RAZR

"We made RAZR strong with KEVLAR® fibre, while Corning® Gorilla® Glass helps the screen stand up to scratches and scrapes. Spilled coffee? Caught in the rain? No problem. RAZR is protected with a splash-guard coating — even the electrical boards inside."

And with iOS and "Passbook" duplicating what Blackberry Travel and Blackberry Wallet has done for BB users for a good while. And Google in 2011 introduced their version of the same thing. The competitions doesn't need RIM sold for it's parts, they will like iMessage and BBM simply copy you RIM.

YET in regards to mobile payment from Apple, the Verge reports:
"An NFC mobile payments system was reportedly torpedoed altogether in a senior-level meeting earlier this year, with Apple CFO Peter Oppenheimer said to favor the pursuit of alternative technologies. With Google Wallet and ISIS continuing to plow ahead, and both Sprint and Microsoft working on their own solutions, the battle for mobile payment mindshare is just beginning. Passbook seemingly serves as a stripped-down version of Apple's original app vision, and with the iPhone 5 most certainly just around the corner, we wouldn't be surprised if we got a glimpse at Apple's NFC alternative in the coming months."


All in all BB10 has more to fear from what's coming rather than what's already here. With that in mind will this delay stop the growth of Blackberry?

[playpen007]

There is nothing to fear the competitions because BB10 is the platform and design to last up to 10 years. Remember, RIM has been said numerous times that they are 100 percents aware of competitions and how fast they are moving forward. BB10 is the revolutionary device design from the ground up. Based on what Heins said it will be years ahead of competitions. Heins didn't really said BB10 is a head of competition, but it is based on my impression of what Heins has said so far. I'm waiting to upgrade from my Iphone 4S to BB10 soon its release.

[JTATL]

There is nothing to fear the competitions because BB10 is the platform and design to last up to 10 years. Remember, RIM has been said numerous times that they are 100 percents aware of competitions and how fast they are moving forward. BB10 is the revolutionary device design from the ground up. Based on what Heins said it will be years ahead of competitions. Heins didn't really said BB10 is a head of competition, but it is based on my impression of what Heins has said so far. I'm waiting to upgrade from my Iphone 4S to BB10 soon its release.

No company can plan a platform to last 10 years, to say you can is the essence of arrogance because technology changes too fast according to moore's first law.

[Pete6]

What's the name of that movie? Oh Yes.

Catch me if you can.

That'll be BB10

[jamezalexander]

If you look up the history of QNX you'll see that Blackberry has simply taken their history and attached it to their new outlook:

They built the QNX operating system with a "decade" in mind. From samab

"In the 30 year history of QNX, they have made 1 major OS update every 10 years.

The original QNX OS was renamed QNX2 and was in service for the whole 1980's.

Then in the late 80's and early 90's, QNX4 was born.

Then in the late 90's and early 2000's, QNX6 was born.

Linda Campbell, QNX director of strategic alliances, tweeted in September of last year that QNX is working on QNX8."


So again, will "QNX 8" and BB10 be ENOUGH. I feel like they HAD to delay and incorporate the embedded side because at launch BB10 will be **in the consumser mind** just another smartphone OS. QNX's hookups will be the differentiator BB needs.

[phonejunky]

There is nothing to fear the competitions because BB10 is the platform and design to last up to 10 years. Remember, RIM has been said numerous times that they are 100 percents aware of competitions and how fast they are moving forward. BB10 is the revolutionary device design from the ground up. Based on what Heins said it will be years ahead of competitions. Heins didn't really said BB10 is a head of competition, but it is based on my impression of what Heins has said so far. I'm waiting to upgrade from my Iphone 4S to BB10 soon its release.

You can't honestly believe in today's tech-centric day and age RIM of all companies will make a device that will compete for ten years to come. Not possible.

[Chrisy]

BlackBerry 10 with QNX is light years ahead of anything now.

[kbz1960]

You can't honestly believe in today's tech-centric day and age RIM of all companies will make a device that will compete for ten years to come. Not possible.

Why not? Because of the past? Because you're an insider and know something? You know so much about tech and RIM so you're an expert?

[phonejunky]

Why not? Because of the past? Because you're an insider and know something? You know so much about tech and RIM so you're an expert?

You know actually you're right I'm none of that. Lets just wait and see, I'm guessing I'm right though, I could be wrong too. I am human.

[JTATL]

Why not? Because of the past? Because you're an insider and know something? You know so much about tech and RIM so you're an expert?

No I dont need inside data all I need is common sense. Are the best engineers and programmers going to rim with no stock option appreciation? No they are going to silicon valley where stock options make people rich.

[amazinglygraceless]

BlackBerry 10 with QNX is light years ahead of anything now.

Unfortunately, however, by the time it actually comes to market it is possible
everything else will be light years ahead of it

[kbz1960]

You know actually you're right I'm none of that. Lets just wait and see, I'm guessing I'm right though, I could be wrong too. I am human.

LOL true. You could be right. I was wondering why it could never come from them.

No I dont need inside data all I need is common sense. Are the best engineers and programmers going to rim with no stock option appreciation? No they are going to silicon valley where stock options make people rich.

So there are no best engineers or programmers in all of RIM's portfolio? QNX team? TAT team? Nowhere to be found? So unless you're in silicon valley you're just a mediocre?

[njblackberry]

I don't think the technicians/programmers are the problem. It's the management. They have to deliver a product, on time. The programmers will keep tweaking and programming forever. How do you know when the design phase of a project is over? When the project plan says so. They have got to deliver.

And to say BB 10 is 10 years ahead of anything - where there are ZERO products delivered - is a questionable at best.

Lets see what Q1, 2013 actually delivers. Not Alphas, not betas. Products. And I hope they succeed.

[jamezalexander]

You can't honestly believe in today's tech-centric day and age RIM of all companies will make a device that will compete for ten years to come. Not possible.

Oh yeahhhh! Beacsue that's not what BBOS was/is and will continue to be. BBOS is how old? And still being integrated with the latest in tech like NFC.. Yeah

[phonejunky]

Oh yeahhhh! Beacsue that's not what BBOS was/is and will continue to be. BBOS is how old? And still being integrated with the latest in tech like NFC.. Yeah

RIM released BlackBerry handsets during a time where they could shine for 10 years let's see them try it now in an era where smartphones a plenty and pushing the boundaries of tech. Like I said I could be wrong but I don't believe I am.

[berklon]

BlackBerry 10 with QNX is light years ahead of anything now.

Oh really? Wow, I better go buy it right now then. Oh wait...

Something down the road is ALWAYS better than anything out now.

So far we've seen nothing on BB10 that makes it better overall than what's available now.
Maybe you can explain what that is, because I don't see it.

And we have to remember, the competition will have out new devices before BB10 is even released (if it ever gets released).

[jamezalexander]

RIM shining for 10 years means they wou;d have been unshiny in 2009, sounds about right. But you neglect that BB's weren't really popular until 2002 ten years from that shine puts us at the dull useless berrys of today in 2012? NO. RIM started an era. Kevin in the latest podcast talked about how Basille saw RIM and how it came from a simple pager! Similar in evolution to the iPod. AGAIN ALL THESE "innovations" ended up being tossed into a cellular space because that was the best way to sell it to people on contract. It took years to build iOS for it's release in 2007, 5 years after BB's started getting huge. BAM lets look 5 years after iPhones started getting huge and again we're here lookin at 2012. Now with a clear direction RIM will attack once again. All these computer companies are trying to eat up the cell space, and doing a marvelous job because of the connections to their desktop built ecosystems. Blackberry WILL BE the only other "walled garden" out there. And they have the opportunity to open the garden and do what google did BETTER. Just like AMAZON did for the 7in space.

Again Blackberry has rested on it's laurels but like Windows, when it moves it moves. Remember the last time RIM tried something as big as BB10? Oh yeah it changed mobile forever. And spurned THIS decade of cellular growth. They are still baking functions into these "new" OS's that BB's have had THE ENTIRE TIME. BUT YOU KNOW THIS CRACKBERRY BRANDON
How's the "hide icon" function, NFC and LED light on your Galaxy S3
My berry has been doing those things thank you. And on an OS platform built in the late 90s.


*** AND sh*t IPHONES didnt get popular until the the second half of 2008 with the release of the app store. SO 5 years from 2008 means RIM IS RIGHT ON TIME AT THE BEGINNING OF 2013, as long as they can deliver a product of substance that is not only compelling but inspiring, one that has moved on with the trends set by Apple and Google and one that forges into a future where we are truly wirelessly conencted to not just the screen we keep in our pocket but the world around us. The "gold" of RIM has been emulated by everyone under the sun. If they could kill RIM they would have. There is value here and I'm not the only one who sees it. I'm just not blinded by Siri's cra p jokes and angry feathers.

[JTATL]

Even if BB10 is the best thing ever in mobile computing will it matter because they may have used up all their good will because of all their mistakes. The consumer may have completely stopped paying attention to blackberry already.The classic too little, too late.

[kbz1960]

Even if BB10 is the best thing ever in mobile computing will it matter because they may have used up all their good will because of all their mistakes. The consumer may have completely stopped paying attention to blackberry already.The classic too little, too late.

I don't know do fans ever forgive a baseball pitcher who gives up 10 home runs in several outings and then the same pitcher comes back the next season to become the teams ace? But only time will tell.

[dbmalloy]

Hope RIM is not making a mistake... It does not matter how revelutionary or complex the OS is.... it is the user experience that counts.... I look at how Adroid started out.... Was not easy to use... has gotten better with each update... Why Apple is successful is those not technically inclined can easily pick up how it works..... If RIM does not pay enough attention to the "user experience" and keys too much on features..... I fear BB10 will be a flop..... not because it is not amazing in what it can do.... but because the user experience may be lacking.... One of the hazards of sites like this one is most users are more versed in the technology and tend to focus on that aspect.....

[kbz1960]

Well it's just my opinion but I think the pb UI is the best thing since sliced bread and so easy to use I could teach my dog to use it. I don't think bb10 is going to stray a whole lot.

[AVPTI]

The slow adaptation of BB10 users from current non-BB users will be the fault of societies inept ability to think for themselves and not depend on the media.

[billy88n]

I think the qnx team is pretty good you don't get to write the os for the space station by being a bunch of scrubs.

For now os 7 is does what I want , but I have been salivating over a phone version of the playbook for a while

[JTATL]

Comparing a baseball team where people feel regional and historical loyalty to the team may work as far as Canadians and readopting blackberries but it will be an ineffective analogy in the rest of the world. Today is it even the #1 selling smartphone platform in its home country?

[kingest_kong]

BlackBerry 10 with QNX is light years ahead of anything now.

Can you please explain what about bb10 that will make it light years ahead of anything? I feel like I hear this a million times on this site but I haven't heard one thing which truly makes bb10 standout from the competition.
And that is a legit question I'm asking so if anyone knows please feel free to answer