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    Quote Originally Posted by Sith_Apprentice View Post
    Yeah the Sunspider scores definitely need to be improved. Next time I get my hands on a London I will run that and let you know. This browser is really not optimized at all though, and just used for testing. The browser on the London was much better the last I used it.
    Ya, I would be really interested in the results from the London to see how they measure up. At this point they should be polishing the OS, so I'd imagine any optimization a would be in place on a release candidate unit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notafanboy View Post
    I'm guessing you already tried those test but did not get the desired results. For if you got good results, I really think there would have been a new thread about it already. If my armchair psychology is wrong, then I will apologize.

    Anyway, here are some more fun websites to try. HTML5 Gallery
    You already tried this BS before --- and I already debunked it last month.

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    Those tests were stupidly written and not take advantage of various webgl techniques that can draw vastly more polygons --- which the Playbook/BB10 web browser can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samab View Post
    You already tried this BS before --- and I already debunked it last month.

    BB10 html5 score

    Those tests were stupidly written and not take advantage of various webgl techniques that can draw vastly more polygons --- which the Playbook/BB10 web browser can do.

    Jeff Muizelaar: Drawing Sprites: Canvas 2D vs. WebGL
    So you're blaming the tests? Ooooooooook then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeo007 View Post
    Oh, so it's running the same 4470 that's rumoured to be in the L-series launch devices.
    Those sunspider scores are pretty rough for a CPU that beefy. Not terrible, just not great by any means. I guess we'll just hope that they optimize the engine sooner rather than later.

    Does anyone know what JS engine they're building on? Is it the old torch engine, or something new?
    Quote Originally Posted by Sith_Apprentice View Post
    Yeah the Sunspider scores definitely need to be improved. Next time I get my hands on a London I will run that and let you know. This browser is really not optimized at all though, and just used for testing. The browser on the London was much better the last I used it.
    But are the dev alpha A and B running at full speed at 1.5 GHz or are they underclocked (as others had stated when the first dev alpha A came out) that it was underclocked down to 1 GHz?

    Engadget did a review of the LTE Playbook which ran full speed at 1.5 GHz with the older 2.01 OS and browser --- and got a better sunspider score than both of you.

    http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/09/b...-lte-hands-on/
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    Quote Originally Posted by notafanboy View Post
    So you're blaming the tests? Ooooooooook then.
    Well, Apple's HTML5 test website won't even allow non Safari browser to run.

    There are many ways to draw a polygon --- some ways are better than the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeo007 View Post
    Oh, so it's running the same 4470 that's rumoured to be in the L-series launch devices.
    Those sunspider scores are pretty rough for a CPU that beefy. Not terrible, just not great by any means. I guess we'll just hope that they optimize the engine sooner rather than later.

    Does anyone know what JS engine they're building on? Is it the old torch engine, or something new?
    Huh? I thought they were rumored to be going with a snapdragon S4 for the launch device? I mean, I know it's rumor but I didn't think they would stick with a processor that's in the dev alpha B already???
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    Quote Originally Posted by samab View Post
    Well, Apple's HTML5 test website won't even allow non Safari browser to run.

    There are many ways to draw a polygon --- some ways are better than the others.
    The tests on Apple's website showcasing HTML5 all run perfectly on the Dev Alpha
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeo007 View Post
    Oh, so it's running the same 4470 that's rumoured to be in the L-series launch devices.
    Those sunspider scores are pretty rough for a CPU that beefy. Not terrible, just not great by any means. I guess we'll just hope that they optimize the engine sooner rather than later.

    Does anyone know what JS engine they're building on? Is it the old torch engine, or something new?
    Are we sure that London user 4470? What about Snapdragon S4? hehehe. Be your guess xixixi
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    Quote Originally Posted by aragone79 View Post
    Are we sure that London user 4470? What about Snapdragon S4? hehehe. Be your guess xixixi
    If the leaked data is to be believed, the London will use the 4470 and be HSPA+ only. The Lisbon will be S4 and be HSPA+ and LTE. The Laguna will be S4 based and be CDMA, HSPA+ and LTE. London is the L version of the all touch for non-LTE markets, other two are for LTE markets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lnichols View Post
    If the leaked data is to be believed, the London will use the 4470 and be HSPA+ only. The Lisbon will be S4 and be HSPA+ and LTE. The Laguna will be S4 based and be CDMA, HSPA+ and LTE. London is the L version of the all touch for non-LTE markets, other two are for LTE markets.
    Means that London Will Be The cheaper for L series? I hope so
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    Quote Originally Posted by aragone79 View Post
    Means that London Will Be The cheaper for L series? I hope so
    Should be and I hope so too. I have no need for LTE, even though T-Mobile will be turning up their LTE network in 2013. HSPA+ is very fast and will meet my needs just fine. More than happy to pass on LTE if I can save some coin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lnichols View Post
    If the leaked data is to be believed, the London will use the 4470 and be HSPA+ only. The Lisbon will be S4 and be HSPA+ and LTE. The Laguna will be S4 based and be CDMA, HSPA+ and LTE. London is the L version of the all touch for non-LTE markets, other two are for LTE markets.
    This is where I am a little worried. Games need to be optimized for particular GPU chipsets --- different GPU's have different max texture size limits and game developers have to play around with all the various settings to come up with the right combination. It is already bad enough that dev alpha a has a different GPU than dev alpha b.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lnichols View Post
    Should be and I hope so too. I have no need for LTE, even though T-Mobile will be turning up their LTE network in 2013. HSPA+ is very fast and will meet my needs just fine. More than happy to pass on LTE if I can save some coin.
    I don't think you will be the one to get the choice unless you decide to buy unlocked hardware because realistically speaking carriers are only going to offer one L-series model each at launch, there is just no benefit to them increasing the amount of testing to carry two models when its not going to add to their sales.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeo007 View Post
    Oh, so it's running the same 4470 that's rumoured to be in the L-series launch devices.
    Those sunspider scores are pretty rough for a CPU that beefy. Not terrible, just not great by any means. I guess we'll just hope that they optimize the engine sooner rather than later.
    Have you actually looked at the sort of results you tend to get from that sunspider test on mobile hardware, a score of 1500ms is not pretty rough at all, it puts it smack into the area where the Cortex-A9 starts to become the bottleneck on improving that score as seen from results such as:

    AnandTech - iPhone 5/A6 SunSpider Performance: Faster than Intel's Atom Z2460
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeo007 View Post
    Ya, I would be really interested in the results from the London to see how they measure up. At this point they should be polishing the OS, so I'd imagine any optimization a would be in place on a release candidate unit.
    Maybe RIM will let one loose for testing/benchmarking as a Christmas present to us Really there is no better time than the holidays to have people talking about your product.
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