- CrackBerry Master
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[Article] Sprint Says RIMs Blackberry 10 Offers Little Hope For The Future
Wowzers. Talk about negative press
In spite of an announcement in mid-July that highlighted RIMs plans for four new phones to run on their new operating system, the CEO of Sprint Nextel Corporation (NYSE:S) had no difficulties publicly telling the world that he has little faith in RIMs ability to return to their heyday.
Who can blame him? RIM and their Blackberries have been iconic for years. However, their loss of market share without any real fight back cant be ignored. Layoffs and talks of their imminent death, or at least sale, cant be ignored. Think about it, their own CEO has recently questioned their direction, and if he doesnt know what to do
We dont think we will see Research In Motion Limited (NASDAQ:RIMM) (TSE:RIM) get back to the levels they were two years ago,said Sprint (S) spokesman David Owens, So we have to figure out where theyll be going forward.
Thats just tough to hear if you love your Blackberry, own Research In Motion Limited (NASDAQ:RIMM) (TSE:RIM) stock, or god forbid work for the Canadian company. Sprint has been a large part of RIMs success for years, in the States, half the Blackberries you see have the Spring logo adorning them. When you hear the death knell being rung by a once strong proponent, you have to wonder.
The challenge is RIM took on everything, he said. They took on the entire gambit: the storefront, the operating system, the manufacturing, and this caused them to be slow in reacting to the changes in the market. He did, however, warn investors about giving up on RIM too soon and suggested that the Blackberry 10 has some nice features.
Considering reports that Research In Motion Limited (NASDAQ:RIMM) (TSE:RIM) had strongly considered abandoning their own OS and moving to the Android platform, you have to wonder how much of that is simple lip service.
Their phones expected to be released in January fail to give additional hope.
N4BB has got its hands on a purported leaked document showing both pictures and specs of RIMs first two smartphones based on its new BlackBerry 10 operating system. Here are the key details: The new BlackBerry smartphone with no physical keyboard is known internally as the L-series, while the phone with a physical keyboard is known as the N-series. The L-series device features a screen thats 2.16 inches (55 millimeters) wide with a resolution of 7681280 pixels, or 356 pixels per inch. The N-series device features a display thats 2.08 inches (53 millimeters) wide with a resolution of 720720 pixels, or 330 pixels per inch. N4BB notes that both devices feature more pixels per inch than Apples iPhone 4S.
Its tough for even the biggest optimist to find much love there.
- CrackBerry Addict
08-07-12, 11:48 AM #2
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I love how they selectively leave out the two very important sentences from the quote, as follows: "I would not count RIM out. RIM keeps reinventing itself. BlackBerry 10, as we've looked at it, has some really good characteristics. We're excited to see what it can do."
Those were right before the The challenge is RIM took on everything, he said. They took on the entire gambit: the storefront, the operating system, the manufacturing, and this caused them to be slow in reacting to the changes in the market. Include those two lines and it completely changes the meaning of what he said.
COMPLETELY unbiased reporting there, eh?
- CrackBerry Addict
08-07-12, 11:49 AM #3
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Dude seriously? That article is whack, more mumbo jumbo from a blogger who wants page hits... He miss quoted EVERYTHING!
"Considering reports that Research In Motion Limited (NASDAQ:RIMM) (TSE:RIM) had strongly considered abandoning their own OS and moving to the Android platform, you have to wonder how much of that is simple lip service."
Telling part of the story is just cheap and dirty... Should finish it by saying "RIM decided not to go with android cause it was mangled/ fragmented GARBAGE"
The simplest part of the whole article, going to N4BB to just COPY and PASTE the rumoured specs... He screwed that up! The full touch L-Series is to feature a 2.16 inch screen? Seriously? Did this guy even proof read this before he hit print?
Kevin needs to get this POS email address so we can all let him know how we feel about his writing techniques...
- 08-07-12, 12:13 PM #4
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- 08-07-12, 12:53 PM #9
These types of articles are what we've grown used to recently and there are plenty more of them to come leading up to and probably including the launch of BB10. But this type of statement from Sprint (when properly quoted) is not specific to RIM. Sprint has made similar statements about WP8. Sprint's stance is outlined better (and more fairly) by PhoneArena here: Sprint not likely to offer Windows Phone 8 model at launch.
The PhoneArena article makes a point that Sprint is in the process of finalizing their 2012-2013 lineup based on their huge investment (gamble) on the iPhone as well as making room for the upcoming Motorola Photon Q.
The statements they make about BB10 at least indicate that they're going to give even a single device a shot which is more than they are saying about WP8. The article references Usain Bolt's comments after winning the gold. The PhoneArena article ends with the following:
With all of its time and money spread out among Android, the Apple iPhone and RIM, Sprint does not want to spread itself too thin by offering Windows Phone 8 models without the platform proving itself first.
Sprint dug itself a hole by the depth and bredth of its committment to the iPhone. It leaves them little wiggle room for supporting the launch of non-hero phones. This means that they are carefully evaluating everything that is not an iPhone, Galaxy, HTC Evo, or Motorola Photon series phone.
At this point, Sprint has seen neither BB10 nor WP8. But comparing Sprint's statements regarding WP8 vs BB10, I'd be more concerned if I was waiting on WP8 for Sprint than BB10.
- 08-07-12, 01:15 PM #11
The title is a bit much and the article offers a lot of personal opinion but the Sprint rep wasn't exactly goling crazy. David Owen was talking with tech journalists and when asked about RIM he said:I would not count RIM out. RIM keeps reinventing itself. BlackBerry 10, as we've looked at it, has some really good characteristics. We're excited to see what it can do. The challenge is RIM took on everything. They took on the entire gambit: the storefront, the operating system, the manufacturing, and this caused them to be slow in reacting to the changes in the market. We don't think we will see RIM get back to the levels they were two years ago. So we have to figure out where they'll be going forward in Sprint's product roadmap.
At the end of the day it looks like they're taking a wait and see approach. If BB10 turns out well then they'll probably offer some phones a few months after launch. If not, well then they didn't waste any money.
Last edited by JohnEnglish; 08-07-12 at 01:20 PM.
- 08-07-12, 01:27 PM #12
But I bet that on whatever the release day is for BB10 devices, that Sprint has them too.
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- CrackBerry Genius
08-07-12, 02:10 PM #15
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What I find amusing is the fact that Sprint may not be in a position to "push" other platfroms other than Apple.... Remember, these are the fine folks who committed to 20 Billion dollars (yes that is Billion" of Iphone purchases through 2014.... So even if BB10 is huge... they may have no incentive to push it..... Amazing how these finer details are omiitted in articles... so is it surprising Sprint is non-commital??????
- 08-07-12, 02:34 PM #17
Once again, this is going to be a long few months coming.
- 08-07-12, 02:46 PM #18
If the OS is released on time, and if it's released without flaws, and if the hardware that it's released on is fantastic and without flaws, then RIM has a good chance of stopping it's slide.
That's a lot of "ifs". It only makese sense that Sprint would say that they're unsure. Anything else would be foolish.
- 08-07-12, 03:36 PM #19
I wonder how Sprint is going to handle selling the iPhone 5 when, like the Galaxy S3 and HTC Evo 4G LTE, they are pitching the latest and greatest technology in phones, but promising that the LTE functionality will be available later.
- CrackBerry Abuser
08-07-12, 05:00 PM #20
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Rim however, will be in a difficult position. If more carriers take the wait and see approach, the one that signs them on will have much larger leverage over the pricing, launch and control of the BB10 handsets.
- 08-07-12, 07:01 PM #21
And if all those conditions are met (ignoring the fact they delayed twice and pretending it's not killing them), I think the best RIM can hope for is to slow down their slide... not stop it completely. Like it or not, RIM is and will continue to be paying dearly for these BB10 delays - especially the most recent one.
I honestly think if BB10 does see the light of day (HUGE if), the biggest way to describe it will be "Too little, too late".
Prepare to be disappointed.
- CrackBerry Abuser
08-07-12, 07:57 PM #22
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- 08-07-12, 08:12 PM #23
The article states "...in the States, half the Blackberries you see have the Spring logo adorning them." - is that true? Its the first time I have ever seen that stated as fact and it's not something I would have guessed myself from personal anecdotal experience most of the BB's I see have AT&T or Verizon logos on them.
IF IT'S TRUE (big if as I don't know for sure and don't know where this author got that information from) Sprint's ongoing interest in BB10 might have an exaggerated affect on the launch of BB10 going forward?!
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I don't think it's the end of the world for RIM. They don't have to beat the iPhone's sales, but the mobile market is so big that there's room for three or four different phones. Some people (maybe not hardcore users, but the average people) don't really care what phone they have. And there are lots of people getting new phones all the time.
I don't think people here are deluded, we just choose not to think about thunderstorms all day. But you do what you want, keep on having a gloomy day. I won't.