[DenverRalphy]

negative comments != wrong. what exactly are you claiming is incorrect?

"This company has not changed, and won’t change."

You have to have been living under a rock the last 6 months to honestly think this is in any way true.

"capturing a series of images and combining different elements from each one before you save a photo seems genuinely incredible, though how is that done, with an EDoF camera, so no autofocus?"

Unsubstantiated skepticism does not make this true.

"RIM is a company that has failed to deliver for the last eight years"

Eight years? Really? My math must be really bad if this is correct.

[katiepea]

Complaining about EDOF camera on a Dev Alpha device is accurate??
Not informing the readers that the hardware he is crying about will never see the light of day and the final product will be completely different is accurate??
Not talking about the features shown is accurate??
Not talking about a whole different approach to touchscreen keyboards is accurate??
Not talking about a whole new way of interacting with a touch device is accurate??

Wait, you must drink water from the same stream as Geller and must have the same stupid and laughable notions of accuracy as him.
Good job trying to stand up for him and his failure in not getting a Dev device for himself on a BB fan forum, but it's not standing up to scrutiny.

i'm not standing up for anyone, especially him. i don't go to his site, in fact all i've read of what he said has been from these forums. i'm quite certain he peeks here as well, and i would wager he's had a rather good laugh from it. as for the list you presented, lets be realistic. did anything RIM present appear to be something that's game changing? to me it looks like catch-up material. new ways to type? that's been tried and lost many times now. this, to me, is all too familiar, and shaping up to reflect the palm webOS launch. i remember that well, this is like deja-vu. as for your assumptions about me, well you know what they say about assumptions. why you've felt the need to start attacking me personally, i have no idea. you're upset because i asked you a question?

[sam_b77]

negative comments != wrong. what exactly are you claiming is incorrect?

What exactly was stated in Geller's rant that can be measured for correctness or incorrectness?
You are just spewing hot air as usual.

[sam_b77]

i'm not standing up for anyone, especially him. i don't go to his site, in fact all i've read of what he said has been from these forums. i'm quite certain he peeks here as well, and i would wager he's had a rather good laugh from it. as for the list you presented, lets be realistic. did anything RIM present appear to be something that's game changing? to me it looks like catch-up material. new ways to type? that's been tried and lost many times now. this, to me, is all too familiar, and shaping up to reflect the palm webOS launch. i remember that well, this is like deja-vu. as for your assumptions about me, well you know what they say about assumptions. why you've felt the need to start attacking me personally, i have no idea. you're upset because i asked you a question?

Then I suggest you go read what he has written before firing on all cylinders. No harm in having all the facts. Reading is good. It educates. Try it sometime.

[katiepea]

"This company has not changed, and won’t change."

You have to have been living under a rock the last 6 months to honestly think this is in any way true.

"capturing a series of images and combining different elements from each one before you save a photo seems genuinely incredible, though how is that done, with an EDoF camera, so no autofocus?"

Unsubstantiated skepticism does not make this true.

"RIM is a company that has failed to deliver for the last eight years"

Eight years? Really? My math must be really bad if this is correct.

yeah 8 years seemed a bit off, the last really big launch i remember blowing up was the 9000, which came out when? 2008? nothing after that has truly been fantastic in my eyes. he's good at singling out stupid little bullet points that nobody cares about and showing you how it doesn't stack up to something apple offers. like his headline 'samsung is now the top manufacturer, but apple is making more money' anything positive for another company somehow turns into a story about how there's more to it than that, and apple is really winning everything. the love for apple is rather annoying. the iphone is the last smartphone i would use. i'd go android>wp7>blackberry>webos>iphone if i had to list, and i own a 4s, i just don't care to use it ever. it's probably the least interesting OS i can think of. what's ironic is his claim that RIM hasn't changed and won't change. mostly because if i think of a stagnant OS and a company that won't change, apple comes to the forefront of my thoughts. RIM is at least trying to change their product. apple literally hasn't released a new product since the original iphone. the only thing new they've offered are incremental upgrades to give people a reason to buy a new one, all the meanwhile their marketshare has just about flatlined, for years. telling me, the only people buying iphones are people who have iphones.



he's nothing more than the poster child for blind consumerism. he's bought a ton of apple products to all work nicely together, and they don't play nicely with anything else, by design. so anything that doesn't fit into this little bubble of functionality is fundamentally flawed. this makes for boring reading. to me that site is nothing more than a blog to help people stay self assured that they've purchased the right thing.

[lnichols]

If you guys will stop quoting katiepea, then my Ignore List will work much better.

[katiepea]

If you guys will stop quoting katiepea, then my Ignore List will work much better.

yet you still find the need and will to make sure you let everyone know you ignored me. a valuable contribution to the topic. i ignored this person, therefore they should no longer exist, the rest of you shouldn't talk to them because i am the center of the universe. what an incredible skill i have, being able to type while still having fingers in both of my ears.

[justajason]

Ok WOW! This got really deep, really fast.

[katiepea]

Ok WOW! This got really deep, really fast.

want to choose your words more wisely? or is that just how you intended it to sound?

[justajason]

Nope! That's EXACTLY how I wanted it to sound. The topic seemed to need a little humor. I hope it made you laugh.

[D_March]

negative comments != wrong. what exactly are you claiming is incorrect?

What do you view as correct? It would be good to maintain the context of the last three years for this to be an honest discussion.

I'm editing this to add that it seems pretty clear he is having a minor meltdown at being left out of the device clique. His posts and tweets have grown fairly venomous. I don't blame him, it's a big slap but that makes it all the more funny in my mind.

[jstarett]

I love how you are quoting a poll that is 100% biased... you can tell not only by sifting through all the apple ads but by the questions asked...

Do you care at all about today's RIM news?
No. Nothing. Not even a little bit.
Yes. At least a little bit.

Gizmodo and BGR is the last place on the internet for news about RIM

[playbookster]

Lol the comments on that article are awesome, seems everyone is against BGR now

[BlackBerry Guy]

BGR = the tabloid of tech media

Love how he said RIM's been a failure for the last 8 years. I wonder which device he used back in 2004? He must've also forgotten about 2006-2008 when RIM was really on top of the game.

[mithrazor]

i'm not standing up for anyone, especially him. i don't go to his site, in fact all i've read of what he said has been from these forums. i'm quite certain he peeks here as well, and i would wager he's had a rather good laugh from it. as for the list you presented, lets be realistic. did anything RIM present appear to be something that's game changing? to me it looks like catch-up material. new ways to type? that's been tried and lost many times now. this, to me, is all too familiar, and shaping up to reflect the palm webOS launch. i remember that well, this is like deja-vu. as for your assumptions about me, well you know what they say about assumptions. why you've felt the need to start attacking me personally, i have no idea. you're upset because i asked you a question?

Let me start off with saying I do agree with some of what you're saying. But some of your responses leave me dumbfounded. Like the person you quoted just proved, he wasn't accurate. He was rather inaccurate, so if he's that inaccurate about a brand most people on these boards consider to be loyal to, let them talk about whatever they want to on a forum. It's just as much wasted effort as your responses to the people who are responding about his journalism.

So it went from the list to anything RIM presented to be game changing? And it might not be game changing, But like you said it's catching up. while not game changing, I'd say it gave itself a leg up compared to the competition with what they showed.

And you know what's funny? That's pretty damn impressive from a sneak peak of an OS we still don't know much about.

I think that deja-vu is just from a few UI designs it borrows from WebOS. But definitely not the position in the market. We've been over this in a few other threads and I'm not going to reiterate what was said.

And your point about the does anybody care poll on Gizmodo. You can't really say that tells much. Put the same poll about Apple (I'm sure it'll be much higher), Android (also pretty high), and Windows Phone (which would look like Blackberry's poll maybe) to compare it to.

You just sound sour attacking people that didn't even say anything remotely close to an insult or anything negative.

But BGR always had negative posts about RIM. Didn't really bother me. But this kind of took it over the top.

[Gucci33]

there is more evidence pointing to RIM failing than RIM succeeding, thus the years of negative sentiment and declining stock price. i don't even think RIM would deny that the odds are stacked against them, not going to say it's not possible, but it's not probable either. being out of the game for years has extreme consequence. people have left en masse and they don't just come back. in all likelihood what RIM will be facing is an initial positive response, followed by a very long hard road to get people that weren't already blackberry users to come to the platform. they can't survive with only what they have, because what they have is declining. right now they're fighting for 3rd place. 2nd place is a loooooong way off now. but using your own words to prove my point, nobody knows right? therefore someone saying they won't survive is no more or less right or wrong than someone claiming they're going to turn it around.

RIM is in a bubble right now, and will be for a long time. a lot of big name developers, even google are dropping them. RIM doesn't currently have an ecosystem of functionality that can compete with apple or google or even microsoft. i've owned a lot of blackberry devices, but the truth is written on the wall. bb10 "saving" RIM is years off. if i were to bet on the situation, i would say by this time next year they'll be selling off patents in liquidation.

I'm sure we all forgot that your friends, cousins,uncles,brother,giirlfriends, brother works at rim and tells you what's going on. You still working for Geller? Lmao

[Blackberry_boffin]

Gellar is a complete embarrassment to the tech blog community. I am glad RIM didn't send him a device. Why would they bother sending something to someone who only writes about how bad RIM is. Maybe he should smarten up. What an .

Actually he DID NOT get the developer device. He admitted to that somewhere in between his rambles, owning up he was effectively spitting out his dummy and being a cry baby because of it.
I have came to doubt his sanity a little, esp if you think of what BGR stands for. Yes RIM has dissapointed but the way he went on and on about it smacks of sour grapes, esp as he admitted he was not deemed worhy of the Alpha device. Christ he is not even a develper.
He wanted to give the air of someone who has seen a finished BB10 device when RIM showed TWO apps of a device still months away.

[aparsonsuk]

I saw an article on the BBC website saying similar things that it's to little to late based on one person thoughts and stock market statistic of how shares have gone. so things are bad apple was almost done in before steve jobs came back and look at them now a single business that actually has more working capital that they can actually speand than the whole of the US government. So i don't think it's to late for RIM at all they've just got to get BB10 and the hardware to market as quick as they can do really and keep the momentum of this moving and not let it drop off.

[Blackberry_boffin]

Seen how he was stung in the comments of his own site?
Priceless.

[ritesh]

i'm not standing up for anyone, especially him. i don't go to his site, in fact all i've read of what he said has been from these forums. i'm quite certain he peeks here as well, and i would wager he's had a rather good laugh from it. as for the list you presented, lets be realistic. did anything RIM present appear to be something that's game changing? to me it looks like catch-up material. new ways to type? that's been tried and lost many times now. this, to me, is all too familiar, and shaping up to reflect the palm webOS launch. i remember that well, this is like deja-vu. as for your assumptions about me, well you know what they say about assumptions. why you've felt the need to start attacking me personally, i have no idea. you're upset because i asked you a question?

Just one question.
Which device do you type from that does not capitalise the first alphabet after a fullstop?

[westronic]

Any supposed professional who posts tweets sprinkled with foul language like he did loses all credibility with me.

[bobauckland]

I dont like BGR. At all.
But I had to have a read to see what the fuss is about.
I can't believe people are making such a fuss.
I can't believe some of the comments on this site.
I bet most of the negative comments on his site are from people on this site.
What did RIM actually show? A new touchscreen keyboard? A nice way of multitasking?
Sure.
Whats the point if you've got nothing to multitask between? No huge developments on the app front, no closer to cross platform video chat capabilities. The major players at the keynote were not key consumer app oriented people, no major partnerships, you can't blame people for suggesting it shows RIM still don't have a clue.
Yes the touchscreen keyboard is nice, but the competitors have nice touchscreen keyboards as well. Arguably this one is better. Doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Yes, I know they said they will release a keyboarded version somewhere down the line.
Not releasing it first is setting this OS up to fail.
Asking people to move to another generic all touch slab of glass, with all the headaches that brings, with, potentially, a non removable battery, and no better app support in terms of key apps than the PlayBook, means BB10 will take the worst of all the other OSes and not add anything to them. It will be another device sold on potential.
RIM have gone over to try and copy the competitors, who have a huge headstart.
Theres no evidence the mail handling apps will be less laggy than their PlayBook equivalents, which means they will be not much better than the competitors.
The main feature that struck me as awesome was the camera bit, and its interesting that this is, in the end, an app. After all the talk about how apps aren't key, one of the main demoed features is an app.
Anyone who wasn't going to blindly call anything they released 'super duper awesome' would be worried, which is why their stock tanked post keynote.
Everyone calling BBOS outdated and archaic should be crossing their fingers they don't feel very very silly when BB10 is released.
What possible reason would people have to choose this slab of glass over the other slabs of glass available with more developed and mature ecosystems and better apps? If there are reasons, and I really hope there are, they weren't showed at the keynote.

[Foreverup]

Just one question.
Which device do you type from that does not capitalise the first alphabet after a fullstop?

any pc browser does not and tapatalk for crackberry does not capitalize.

[avaio]

I dont like BGR. At all.
But I had to have a read to see what the fuss is about.
I can't believe people are making such a fuss.
I can't believe some of the comments on this site.
I bet most of the negative comments on his site are from people on this site.
What did RIM actually show? A new touchscreen keyboard? A nice way of multitasking?
Sure.
Whats the point if you've got nothing to multitask between? No huge developments on the app front, no closer to cross platform video chat capabilities. The major players at the keynote were not key consumer app oriented people, no major partnerships, you can't blame people for suggesting it shows RIM still don't have a clue.
Yes the touchscreen keyboard is nice, but the competitors have nice touchscreen keyboards as well. Arguably this one is better. Doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Yes, I know they said they will release a keyboarded version somewhere down the line.
Not releasing it first is setting this OS up to fail.
Asking people to move to another generic all touch slab of glass, with all the headaches that brings, with, potentially, a non removable battery, and no better app support in terms of key apps than the PlayBook, means BB10 will take the worst of all the other OSes and not add anything to them. It will be another device sold on potential.
RIM have gone over to try and copy the competitors, who have a huge headstart.
Theres no evidence the mail handling apps will be less laggy than their PlayBook equivalents, which means they will be not much better than the competitors.
The main feature that struck me as awesome was the camera bit, and its interesting that this is, in the end, an app. After all the talk about how apps aren't key, one of the main demoed features is an app.
Anyone who wasn't going to blindly call anything they released 'super duper awesome' would be worried, which is why their stock tanked post keynote.
Everyone calling BBOS outdated and archaic should be crossing their fingers they don't feel very very silly when BB10 is released.
What possible reason would people have to choose this slab of glass over the other slabs of glass available with more developed and mature ecosystems and better apps? If there are reasons, and I really hope there are, they weren't showed at the keynote.

DEVELOPER'S CONFERENCE. i know you're frustrated with RIM, but don't let that cloud your common sense. See them making an effort and appreciate that, if they fail at the end then so be it

[leftypepper716]

I hope this isn't a repost. I went over to BGR.com to check out their latest RIM bashing especially after the keynote speech. To save you all, here is the article:

"I sat at my computer in amazement a little earlier. Most of me knew that RIM is too damaged and too slow to pivot, and just too out of touch with its customers to know it actually has a chance. But, there was this small part of me that was genuinely excited for BlackBerry World’s announcements. Then I saw Thorston Heins start off the company’s most crucial keynote ever with Salesforce and Cisco.

This company has not changed, and won’t change. The parts of BlackBerry 10 demoed are slick — capturing a series of images and combining different elements from each one before you save a photo seems genuinely incredible, though how is that done, with an EDoF camera, so no autofocus? What we saw wasn’t truly innovative, though. It wasn’t compelling enough, and it’s unfortunately too late to try and gain enough traction and support for a third mobile ecosystem.

RIM is a company that has failed to deliver for the last eight years, and it doesn’t deserve another chance to mess it up. My live-tweets are embedded below so you can follow along to my instant (rambling) thoughts.

Also of note: RIM declined to make its BlackBerry 10 Alpha device available for BGR. Coincidentally, two publications that had early access to the smartphone also have advertising campaigns from BlackBerry running."

Is it me or does the "Also of note" part remove all credibility of this article and just make it seem like a baby crying because he wasn't given a toy?

Just my two cents.

I understand editorials and op-ed pieces SHOULD have a tilt of bias, obiviously, but what Geller wrote was just mean spirited, and offered no constructive retorte. Even the most loyal readers of BGR slammed him pretty good in the comments section of the article. While I really did want to see RIM introduce a "WOW" OS, for me, I was underwelmed by the whole thing. It looks like Windows OS7. I have a Sprint Bold 9930, and was MORE excited by last year's BBW, introducing he Bold 99XX series. IMO they NEEDED to make a WOW device that would make people 2nd guess thier iphone or Android choice, but they failed in my eyes. RIM definatly needs a jump start, hope by October/November, they really rev OS10 up to a multi-task, multi-media BalckBerry monster to overtake the others, but I'm sorry, just dont see it happening.