Blackberry + QNX + Intel Inside = true jaw-dropping awesomeness?

[soo007]

I agree with all of you that Intel is not yet ready. Right now its hard to see Intel becoming a major player, if not the horseman, in the mobile space.
Remember that a lot of things can drastically change in a mere 3 years

It unthinkable to have RIM struggle for life and look now
Steve Jobs looked fairly robust (R.I.P.)
The HTC Dream was the only Android device in the market

Also keep in mind that the whole nm thing is not the most important aspect in chip design (its like judging a car by how many rpm's it can crank out).

I am calling it......Intel will become at least a major player.
BB10.1 (or 11) or iPhone 6S with Intel anyone? Android 5.0?

[BBThemes]

Originally Posted by soo007

I agree with all of you that Intel is not yet ready. Right now its hard to see Intel becoming a major player, if not the horseman, in the mobile space.
Remember that a lot of things can drastically change in a mere 3 years

It unthinkable to have RIM struggle for life and look now
Steve Jobs looked fairly robust (R.I.P.)
The HTC Dream was the only Android device in the market

Also keep in mind that the whole nm thing is not the most important aspect in chip design (its like judging a car by how many rpm's it can crank out).

I am calling it......Intel will become at least a major player.
BB10.1 (or 11) or iPhone 6S with Intel anyone? Android 5.0?

i get your point that nobody knows what the future holds, but i think intel need to worry more about losing the pc market than ARM do about losing mobile market. ARM is making its way into PC`s, thats Intels biggest issue right now.

As for the nm of the chip, the lower the nm the smaller/thinner the phone can be, add big.LITTLE into the mix with power reduction and thats also a smaller battery needed (in theory) for the same life. which would also lead to a thinner phone. i would say though that as chips will be more powerful, the power reduction from the chip will more than likely be more an ability to keep the battery the size they are now, rather than reduce them if that makes sense.

[deRusett]

Originally Posted by BBThemes

i get your point that nobody knows what the future holds, but i think intel need to worry more about losing the pc market than ARM do about losing mobile market. ARM is making its way into PC`s, thats Intels biggest issue right now.

As for the nm of the chip, the lower the nm the smaller/thinner the phone can be, add big.LITTLE into the mix with power reduction and thats also a smaller battery needed (in theory) for the same life. which would also lead to a thinner phone. i would say though that as chips will be more powerful, the power reduction from the chip will more than likely be more an ability to keep the battery the size they are now, rather than reduce them if that makes sense.

This is exactly why Intel Needs to get into the Mobile market and fight with ARM,

ARM is encroaching on business, because ARM can meet the needs of the vast majority of business users since really most could be using P3's and be just fine for their day to day tasks.

Intel Striking a partnership with RIM COULD work, assuming Intel has been working on getting patents and licenses for LTE so they can produce all in one solutions, Intel has the R&D, and the clout to come into the market hard, they have a server back end that they could be working with RIM to create better BES servers, more efficient, better features, more hardware level encryption, etc.

Combine that with Intels Memory storage division and maybe they would make for a good partnership like Samsung and Apple have[had] with eachother,

The question is, HAS QNX ever been ported to x86?

[mithrazor]

Originally Posted by BBThemes

i get your point that nobody knows what the future holds, but i think intel need to worry more about losing the pc market than ARM do about losing mobile market. ARM is making its way into PC`s, thats Intels biggest issue right now.

As for the nm of the chip, the lower the nm the smaller/thinner the phone can be, add big.LITTLE into the mix with power reduction and thats also a smaller battery needed (in theory) for the same life. which would also lead to a thinner phone. i would say though that as chips will be more powerful, the power reduction from the chip will more than likely be more an ability to keep the battery the size they are now, rather than reduce them if that makes sense.

But you also have to take into account that x86 architecture tends to require more energy than its ARM counterpart. So they might have a better manufacturing process. But they'll need it to be competitive on the battery consumption front.

Also from what I've read, it takes much longer to design a x86 chip also. And being even a half year off, can be crucial to their success.

I'm not too sure on my second point. Someone with actual processor knowledge can correct me if wrong. But I still see ARM being the better way to go.

[soo007]

Originally Posted by deRusett

This is exactly why Intel Needs to get into the Mobile market and fight with ARM,

ARM is encroaching on business, because ARM can meet the needs of the vast majority of business users since really most could be using P3's and be just fine for their day to day tasks.

Intel Striking a partnership with RIM COULD work, assuming Intel has been working on getting patents and licenses for LTE so they can produce all in one solutions, Intel has the R&D, and the clout to come into the market hard, they have a server back end that they could be working with RIM to create better BES servers, more efficient, better features, more hardware level encryption, etc.

Combine that with Intels Memory storage division and maybe they would make for a good partnership like Samsung and Apple have[had] with eachother,

The question is, HAS QNX ever been ported to x86?

oh sure that QNX can run on x86 otherwise I would not have thought of "Intel + QNX"

QNX Realtime Operating System (RTOS) software, middleware, development tools[b][/b][b][/b] and services for superior embedded design

A bit on chip production.
Good luck to ARM manufacturers with tuning gate threshold voltages. oh sure they can go to 28nm how about getting consistent threshold voltages when things get very small?
By the time they get their 28nm chips Intel will have 22nm chips well into their mid life cycle and ready to begin 14nm chip production (and yes they don't have to deal with threshold voltages with Ivy Bridge and they won't have to deal with it for quite some time).

[paris.williams]

you know what i think would be truly cool? a QNX / BB10 powered phone sporting quad core exynos or TI processor

[twburger]

I agree that a melding of RIM BB + QNX + Intel would be a force that could dominate markets both in phone and tablet products. However, a few things will have to happen.

Intel needs to improve power use performance and currently is working hard to catch up to ARM. It does look promising.

QNX needs to be supported by RIM like the original QNX creators. More developers are becoming leery of QNX in that it may become a niche product with little support or orphaned altogether. RIM needs to make certain the developer community has faith in QNX and popularizes it. The poor PlayBook sales are due to lack of developer support as compared to Android.

BlackBerries running QNX + Intel have to be designed so much better than anything else including the phone who's name can not be said by BB users (iPhone) that mass exodus like the Haliburton announcement start happening to Apple. Android phones are quickly catching up to BB security abilities and so will not be enough to keep government and corporate clients. This is on top of RIM lifting the lid for India and Saudi Arabia recently and allowing them to peek into users email.

When all BB apps run on all of the phones, tablets and even the desktop (QNX does run on Intel desktops) Apple's and Google's advantages will disappear. We will have to continue to wait and see.

[missing_K-W]

Intel and QNX are strategic partners, as well as Texas Instruments whose OMAP4 currently powers the PlayBook.

Anything that powers future QNX devices would most likely come from a strategic partnership which is currently in place,due to the high level optimization these relationships allow for

[twburger]

"HAS QNX ever been ported to x86?"

Yes, I used to develop on an Intel based server running QNX.

[missing_K-W]

Originally Posted by twburger

"HAS QNX ever been ported to x86?"

Yes, I used to develop on an Intel based server running QNX.

I would assume yes as x86 support is shown on the site.....Search the QNX site

QNX Realtime Operating System (RTOS) software, middleware, development tools and services for superior embedded design

X86 QNX runtime kit link below -

http://www.qnx.com/download/group.html?programid=11560

[soo007]

intel has been hard at work to the the power issues under control. they have been doing research in areas that we think are totally unrelated (unrelated by themselves but the real values comes from the acquired "know-how").

besides they already experiences the pains from excessive heat (remember the pentium 4?).

let us not forget that intel is already several steps ahead of the competition with regards to chip-making power and expertise... and that gap will expand further.

intel and motorola already inked a long-term deal for intel-based smartphones.

i am calling it a berry superphone with qnx and intel inside will be aweomer than what the iphone4 was in 2010 or the first pcs with windows 95.

true awesomeness.