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    Default Is the Z10 the best "professional" device?

    While I've been eagerly awaiting BB 10 like most on here, I've been reading some things, which are a little concerning. The first is that the Z10 doesn't feel like a premium device the way the Bold 9900 and other phones do. Another is the mediocre call quality and speaker volume. And lastly, there's the deprecation of features that users have been discussing in other forum threads.

    Given these reports, are BlackBerry's new phones still the best choice for business or professional users? I get how the Peek, Flow and Hub are intended to drive more efficiency, but I don't know if I would consider the interface a "business-oriented" feature...

    My bold might not have the latest apps or a quad-core processor, but at least I know I have a serious tool in my pocket--one that exudes quality, makes clear calls, has a loud speakerphone, can connect to almost any type of network, and has seamless Exchange integration. I understand that BB 10 is a 1.0 product and that BlackBerry is trying to get the consumer-oriented user back or at least keep them from switching. But, if I get a Z10, I still might not have that latest apps and there are fewer "business-oriented" features to fall back on (Balance is cool, but only applicable if orgs are on the latest Fusion).

    What do you guys think? BTW, I likely will still get one of the BB 10 phones when they're available in the U.S., but just wondering if any Z10 owners can validate the claims above. And, I just wonder if BlackBerry's decision to focus on the consumer-oriented user first was wise if it wasn't going to release a phone that was undoubtedly a better consumption device than the iPhone or current crop of Android phones...
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    I heard the exact opposite.
    I heard many people say it has phenomenal call quality.
    Have I really been here for three years?
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    The legacy BlackBerry is the best business phone, bar none. However, society has decided they are not cool so no one wants them. That leaves--in this order of best business phone: Z10 (Q10 when available), Windows Phone 8 and... Well that's it really. The other OSes have no place in the enterprise.
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    I think Z10 exudes quality. I have had no issues with call quality and i think the speakers are loud. It has connected to any network i have tried to connect it to (granted i have not tried any enterprise ones so can't speak to that) and it works great with exchange activesync (again can't speak to exchange in a BES environment). There are other issues with the OS but that's due to the fact that it is a 1.0 release, like you said. Just think of how far we have come with PlayBook in a year and that was a product with a very small user base. BB's future rides on BB10 so i can assure you they will be giving it their full attention as far as updates and enhancements go.

    Having said that, if your current phone meets all your needs, why upgrade? You could wait until a few updates have been rolled out and the OS is more stable...just a suggestion.
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    You know, it's funny, when people bash RIM. Think of this, PB has been out for more than a year, but outsold the new iPad this past quarter in Europe. That should tell you something......
    QNX has so much potential, it is a server system, unlike any of the other systems that are much much older, and mobile specific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mussaz View Post
    I think Z10 exudes quality. I have had no issues with call quality and i think the speakers are loud. It has connected to any network i have tried to connect it to (granted i have not tried any enterprise ones so can't speak to that) and it works great with exchange activesync (again can't speak to exchange in a BES environment). There are other issues with the OS but that's due to the fact that it is a 1.0 release, like you said. Just think of how far we have come with PlayBook in a year and that was a product with a very small user base. BB's future rides on BB10 so i can assure you they will be giving it their full attention as far as updates and enhancements go.

    Having said that, if your current phone meets all your needs, why upgrade? You could wait until a few updates have been rolled out and the OS is more stable...just a suggestion.
    It doesn't really...I had a BB, got a Galaxy Note, and ended up getting a Bold after several months because I missed the BB. The BB is good for 75% of what I do on a phone, but I do miss that 25% and am hoping BB 10 will bridge that gap. What I would like to avoid is getting a new device that still has the 25% gap, but no longer is the best for the other 75%...

    Given that BB 10 is so new, it's reasonable to cut it some slack. Hardware, though, is a different story, so that's good to hear about the hardware quality of the Z10 and loudness of the speakerphone. Like I said, I really like how refined the 9900 is...it's the little touches like how the mic is at the bottom right of the phone, how the media buttons are slightly curved, etc., that show how much thought went into the design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masterscarhead1 View Post
    You know, it's funny, when people bash RIM. Think of this, PB has been out for more than a year, but outsold the new iPad this past quarter in Europe. That should tell you something......
    Ya, that anyone will buy anything if it is cheap enough. They have been blowing out the inventory, you think they make money at $150? The components cost that much.
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    Yeah. It is a great quality piece and as far as I've heard, even from the people who say they don't dig it and it's not for them say that it's overall quality and they just don't like the way the os works.
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    - bb balance alone on BB10 provides a huge benefit for enterprise customers, in that its essentially 2 devices in 1 for the BYOD crowd
    - while i disagree the the Z10 doesn't have a professional feel to it (in my limited experience with the dislplay model at Costco, which was bolted to the counter), the Q10 may be more for you, given that you're currently on a 9900. again, while i haven't been able to try the virtual keyboard and while it appears to be very intuitive, i assume that most enterprise people who pump out numerous emails a day will go for the qwerty Q10
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    I read somewhere that Blackberry will have a total of 6 new devices out by the end of the year. It may be too early to tell where the Z10 fits in.

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    Cannot speak to feaures and hardware as I have not played enought with one.... one thing however where BB excells is call quality.... sure you can find the very odd review where a reviewer complains about call quality but the vast majority are positive..... oddly many reviews by Iphone users admit the call quality and connectivity are superior on most BB products....
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    BB9900 makes people look professional, Z10 looks just like every other smartphones
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfdale View Post
    I read somewhere that Blackberry will have a total of 6 new devices out by the end of the year. It may be too early to tell where the Z10 fits in.

    Sent from my BlackBerry 9360 using Tapatalk
    Yes perhaps the Q10 with the classic keyboard will be the business phone of choice....but the Z10 still looks like a strong business contender.

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    Re: Call quality

    There is another thread on this where I learned that this is one of the few phones using HD audio. For evidence of this call someone else with a Z10 and an HD symbol will show up when you are ringing them.
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    Trying to copy and paste is one reason in itself to wait for the q10 and hope they use the keys to do it fast.

    It's frustrating to do it on the z10, and honestly have only managed to do it successfully once, and gave up and re typed things 6 times.

    That and selecting things and deleting them were blazing fast on the 9900. But annoying on a full touch device.

    It's only been a few days on this device though. Hopefully I can get the hang of it. One thing to note is I just typed this with the z10 blazing fast faster then on a 9900 because the auto correct is absolutely gangster. No worries at all, just type and go

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    Quote Originally Posted by masterscarhead1 View Post
    You know, it's funny, when people bash RIM. Think of this, PB has been out for more than a year, but outsold the new iPad this past quarter in Europe. That should tell you something......
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    ai ayyiyiyiyiyi......It wasn't even close. Please, let's try to keep our Crackberry lies at least in the realm of plausibility!

    I think I estimated the PB was probably getting ~ 3% marketshare, whereas "Zarpan" estimated 10%. I think I"m closer, but I think either scenario counts as "not even close!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by richardat View Post
    ai ayyiyiyiyiyi......It wasn't even close. Please, let's try to keep our Crackberry lies at least in the realm of plausibility!

    I think I estimated the PB was probably getting ~ 3% marketshare, whereas "Zarpan" estimated 10%. I think I"m closer, but I think either scenario counts as "not even close!"
    I think he was talking about this (UK, not Europe):
    iPad sales, UK: BlackBerry PlayBook outselling new iPad | BGR
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    Quote Originally Posted by emstardeluxe View Post
    I think he was talking about this (UK, not Europe):
    iPad sales, UK: BlackBerry PlayBook outselling new iPad | BGR
    Right emstardeluxe. The estimates I referred to from Zarpan and I were in a thread regarding that report. One could get that impression from the headline only, but I'd expect anyone citing it to have read the article. Note, those do not cover direct sales from Apple,. which immediately eliminates a large amount of Apple's sales.

    Now, as I noted in that last thread, I couldn't find the report itself (wonder if it's out now), so I can't comment to their specific methodology, but I am skeptical of the numbers (I am willing to blindly accept them for arguments sake, but they seem off to me all around). In any case, they report ~160,000 PB sales, which is fine, and quite plausible. Apple sold ~22 million ipads last quarter....of course, that is more than the two months of Nov/Dec, but let's just cut that in half to be generous (obviously we would expect the bulk of sales to be weighted heavily to the last two months). The UK usually accounts for 10-15% of Apple sales globally, so let's take the lower 10%. That would leave us with a rough estimate of 1.1 million ipads. The ipad mini actually made up the majority of sales in the Christmas season, but let's just cut that in half again, leaving us with 550,000 ipad mini sales. Now it was likely higher...since I was being conservative here with my divisions....one UK retailer reported something like 1 million ipads sold over Christmas in their stores alone (but I'd have look that one up to verify). In any case, the notion that Apple sold less than 160,000 ipad mini's is....rather absurd don't you think? LOL I don't think it's controversial....I don't think anyone disputed this in the last thread, though there were several of the blind-fanboy types who just ignored that part of the discussion to declare some perceived victory...they certainly give the impression that they don't understand the report either...but who knows?

    [I believe that article gave around ~200,000 of all ipad models soldl. What would be astonishing is that if Apple had sold only 200,000 ipads total during those months, it would mean the UK had, terrifyingly dropped to....well less than 2% of their sales! UK'ers had better hope that's not the case! It would probably mean that total tablet sales for Nov/Dec in the UK would be closer to half a milliion!!! That would put the UK right up there with.....lower east Angola! In any case, it's clear in the article, in fact in BGR's write-up they even note it (though inexplicably discount direct sales as a large proportion), that the report only purported to cover retail channel sales. I think even then, it may be limited in scope, but again, I need to know the methodology to be sure.

    The point is, you don't have to have done any math, or know any figures, to know that the report is not even remotely equivalent to: BP outsells latest ipad!!! It would be like saying "apple captures 100% marketshare!!!!!" **

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    Quote Originally Posted by richardat View Post
    Right emstardeluxe. The estimates I referred to from Zarpan and I were in a thread regarding that report. One could get that impression from the headline only, but I'd expect anyone citing it to have read the article. Note, those do not cover direct sales from Apple,. which immediately eliminates a large amount of Apple's sales.

    Now, as I noted in that last thread, I couldn't find the report itself (wonder if it's out now), so I can't comment to their specific methodology, but I am skeptical of the numbers (I am willing to blindly accept them for arguments sake, but they seem off to me all around). In any case, they report ~160,000 PB sales, which is fine, and quite plausible. Apple sold ~22 million ipads last quarter....of course, that is more than the two months of Nov/Dec, but let's just cut that in half to be generous (obviously we would expect the bulk of sales to be weighted heavily to the last two months). The UK usually accounts for 10-15% of Apple sales globally, so let's take the lower 10%. That would leave us with a rough estimate of 1.1 million ipads. The ipad mini actually made up the majority of sales in the Christmas season, but let's just cut that in half again, leaving us with 550,000 ipad mini sales. Now it was likely higher...since I was being conservative here with my divisions....one UK retailer reported something like 1 million ipads sold over Christmas in their stores alone (but I'd have look that one up to verify). In any case, the notion that Apple sold less than 160,000 ipad mini's is....rather absurd don't you think? LOL I don't think it's controversial....I don't think anyone disputed this in the last thread, though there were several of the blind-fanboy types who just ignored that part of the discussion to declare some perceived victory...they certainly give the impression that they don't understand the report either...but who knows?

    What would be astonishing is that if Apple had sold only 200,000 ipads during those months, it would mean the UK had, terrifyingly dropped to....well less than 2% of their sales! UK'ers had better hope that's not the case! It would probably mean that total tablet sales for Nov/Dec in the UK would be closer to half a milliion!!! That would put the UK right up there with.....lower east Angola!
    Wasn't disagreeing with you, just posting the reference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emstardeluxe View Post
    Wasn't disagreeing with you, just posting the reference.
    LOL. Hey, I figured that, as you didn't call me any names, or suggest I shouldn't be allowed to post! If I don't get that, then I assume the person is open-minded! ;-) That's why I gave you the long-winded version, on the odd chance you were interested and/or hadn't looked into it yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richardat View Post
    LOL. Hey, I figured that, as you didn't call me any names, or suggest I shouldn't be allowed to post! If I don't get that, then I assume the person is open-minded! ;-) That's why I gave you the long-winded version, on the odd chance you were interested and/or hadn't looked into it yourself.
    As it happens, I am *always* interested in logical deduction - even if long-winded
    I enjoy my BlackBerry devices, but I'm not blind to market reality.

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