- 11-19-12, 03:35 PM #52
Re: WP8 users problems good for RIM?
Some of you seem to somehow have witnessed smartphone releases that were not buggy, glitchy, and misrepresented by halfwit Media tech writers who know less about the subject matter they're writing about than schoolchildren.
If so please point me in the direction of this perfected magical Excalibur of smartphone legend so I may purchase one. TYVMIA.
- 11-19-12, 03:56 PM #53
While I've not experienced most of the issues outlined, I do have a Lumia 920 here I am currently using and I have to say, if this is the best Windows Phone 8 has to offer.. RIM doesn't have all that much to worry about. The OS is confusing and in some ways, I find it fights against you. It's just not a very productive OS IMO. It's very beautiful mind you, but it takes more than beauty to sell phones. I picked it up thinking it would be the closest experience to BlackBerry 10 but, I was wrong there. Outside of the live tiles look and function, it's nothing like BlackBerry 10.
- 11-19-12, 05:10 PM #55
- 11-19-12, 05:46 PM #57
- On-time delivery has improved considerably; they've met almost all release targets this year (OS 2.1 was late, yes, and Theme Builder for OS7 got canceled; otherwise everything has released as planned).
- WAAAAY better developer engagement
- More transparency and better press relations
None of these ensure that BB10 will be perfect, of course, but they do suggest a (major) cultural shift that leaves RIM in a much better position to launch a satisfactory product.
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- 11-20-12, 02:34 AM #60
Re: WP8 users problems good for RIM?
920 is a very nice device software and hardware, great improvement for windows devices. I have used it and it is very nice, smooth and prolly the best camera around. Not at all confusing like you say. Now, I dont own one, I would if I didn't Just get a s3. My 9900 serves me well swell. However, I thought I'd correct your description as it is a bit misleading.
- 11-20-12, 04:52 AM #61
'intuitive' is usually the word used to describe Windows Phone. I'm not sure why you find it 'confusing' but it's worth noting that aside from iPhones, the Lumia Windows Phones from Nokia have some of the best user satisfaction ratings I've ever seen on Amazon wireless. Real feedback from real owners, not folks who desperately want it to be a Blackberry device/experience.
- 11-20-12, 07:01 AM #62
Let's see, circa 2007-2008 this was my WinMo device at the time when RIM had no 3G devices, all they had was 8800s and 8300s.
Orange SPV M700, 3G, WiFi, built in GPS, fully fledged TomTom navigation, front and rear camera etc etc
That was a far more powerful OS, fully multitasking, themes, fully customisable.
WP7&8 is a joke compared to that to me
- 11-20-12, 08:01 AM #63
They were slower, UI wasn't GPU accelerated unlike WP, resistive screens, average battery life...and the multitasking you tout meant you had to be scrupulous about managing open tasks or available memory would be seriously constrained.
The WM UI was dated...sales were already plunging steeply. Microsoft had their hands forced with that decision.
WP8 brings back some of that level of power, though there's still some way to go. I don't see it as a massive 'step backwards' though. The user experience is the most critical thing you need to nail. Symbian was also similarly powerful yet the sluggish UI and inconsistent design language dragged it down in sales.
- 11-20-12, 09:14 AM #64
I had an app that would list all the cell towers around me and I could set winmo to behave exactly the way I wanted it on each tower, wifi on/off, radio, profiles etc.
Microsoft had a better chance with winmo on some serious hardware but that's just my opinion.
- 11-20-12, 09:24 AM #65Microsoft had a better chance with winmo on some serious hardware but that's just my opinion.
- 11-20-12, 09:55 AM #67
BTW, isn't it where mobile computing is going, desktop in your pocket?
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- 11-20-12, 10:01 AM #68
WP8 is much more robust as a platform than the likes of Android were at the same stage of maturity (2 years after platform launch).
We'll see how the sales go...but early indication makes it seem like sales have been quite decent...even selling briskly in some markets.
What I cannot understand is this: Microsoft spent $30b in 2 years on R&D...where the heck is that money going? Where are the PRODUCTS from that massive R&D bill?
- 11-20-12, 10:03 AM #69
I would have to agree with Bla1ze here. He has put it very succinctly when he said that the Phone fights you.
I have been using a Lumia 900 for a month. For the past five days I have been using it exclusively with my 9900 on standby. I will take WP phones seriously once they can make dialling simpler. They haven't got that right. I don't complain much about app crashes and browser crashes as that happens with almost every platform. Also mail is very slow. Sometimes it's half an hour behind my 9900 and PB.
The OS is beautiful and fun to fool around with. Workhorse it most certainly ain't.
- 11-20-12, 03:35 PM #73
I'm completely confused by this thread.
The Windows Phone 8 launch isn't a "botch" or a "failure". Relative to WP7, the reception is much more positive and many Lumia 920 colors are in short supply. Also, a LOT more people are asking about WP8 than they were about WP7.
I'm not expecting 30% market share or anything; but, I think the WP8 numbers will come out extremely positive relative to WP7. Maybe WP will secure 10% market share.
There are some launch issues; but, this thread blows them completely out of proportion relative to the tech blogs I read such as Engadget or WPCentral, which barely take note.
Regardless of whether WP8 succeeds or fails, I agree it will have no impact on BB10. Actually, I don't think BB and WP ever had much effect on each other.
WP isn't causing people to leave BB and its userbase is too marginal to give BB anything to gain. BB users are going to leave BB regardless of what happens to WP. Most have never even heard of WP8.
P.S. My opinions are based off my experiences on deal sites, which are tech neutral, and NOT tech sites. WP8 receiving any attention from them is quite miraculous really, which is why I predict WP8 will be moderately successful.
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11-20-12, 04:38 PM #74
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- Why so serious?
Re: WP8 users problems good for RIM?
I think MS would have better benefited by maybe just making a more-touch-sensitive Windows 7 approach. its a computing platform that everyone who uses a computer is familiar with. they should have quarantined the metro interface to their phones and tablets. and sure, some issues will be resolved but MS has left a bad taste in peoples mouths already, which will leave their pallets yearning for BB10
- 11-21-12, 01:45 AM #75
PS: Unless you've been living under a rock, you'd know that Windows 7 tablets have been failures so far. There's only so far you can make Windows 7 'touch optimized'.
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