Windows Phone getting burned by carriers just like BB10
- Lumia 530 and 630 make big gains, Lumia 535 a hit in India but Windows Phone flagships are scarce | Windows Central
An interesing article from Windows Central. It is clear that WP's market share is mostly comprised of low/mid level phones. I still have no idea why BB thought that going only after the high-end market was a good idea.01-28-15 09:56 AMLike 0 - Because Microsoft has an ecosystem that will allow them to take losses on smartphones for many years if they can build market share. Blackberry, on the other hand, has no way to benefit from low end phones so they are stuck trying to maintain some kind of exclusivity among enterprise customers. It's not working.01-28-15 10:02 AMLike 0
- Do people really consider Microsoft and BlackBerry new OSs? I used both since 2004.
I wonder if Apple introduced a new version of IOS that was not backward compatible with prior devices, would people continue to buy their products.
Maybe the exodus of users from these platforms is influenced by other factors.
Really is a question I have no clue. In my own experience I migrated away from Windows mobile and BBOS because Android was way more functional.
Just my reaction to the use of the word fledgling in the OP.
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01-28-15 10:37 AMLike 0 - Do people really consider Microsoft and BlackBerry new OSs? I used both since 2004.
I wonder if Apple introduced a new version of IOS that was not backward compatible with prior devices, would people continue to buy their products.
Maybe the exodus of users from these platforms is influenced by other factors.
Really is a question I have no clue. In my own experience I migrated away from Windows mobile and BBOS because Android was way more functional.
Just my reaction to the use of the word fledgling in the OP.
!01-28-15 10:42 AMLike 0 - Further validation that the carriers will logically follow the path of least resistance. Everyone has iPhones. Everyone has Android. Sell one of those and there is a huge installed base of folks to assist with any issue. Kinda like the heyday of Windows on PCs.
Sell a customer a BlackBerry or Windows Phone and I'd say the chances of an unhappy customer with a return are a lot higher.
Someone else said it. The carriers just want to sign folks into contacts with the least amount of friction possible. They really as companies don't care what platforms are "winning" .
Posted via the CrackBerry App for AndroidTroy Tiscareno likes this.01-28-15 10:50 AMLike 1 - Lumia 530 and 630 make big gains, Lumia 535 a hit in India but Windows Phone flagships are scarce | Windows Central
An interesing article from Windows Central. It is clear that WP's market share is mostly comprised of low/mid level phones. I still have no idea why BB thought that going only after the high-end market was a good idea.
Very clearly there is a substantial market for premium devices. The problem is that BBRY hasn't yet devised an effective way of presenting itself as a premium device maker.LuvULongTime likes this.01-28-15 10:53 AMLike 1 - It's a strawman argument a lot of apologists use. When a new version comes out they pretend that means "new OS that needs time to catch up". Both MS and BB have been in the mobile business as long as Apple and Google, but unlike those two, MS and BB scrapped and then revamped rather than updating their OS's.LuvULongTime likes this.01-28-15 10:55 AMLike 1
- It's a strawman argument a lot of apologists use. When a new version comes out they pretend that means "new OS that needs time to catch up". Both MS and BB have been in the mobile business as long as Apple and Google, but unlike those two, MS and BB scrapped and then revamped rather than updating their OS's.thracian likes this.01-28-15 10:55 AMLike 1
- Further validation that the carriers will logically follow the path of least resistance. Everyone has iPhones. Everyone has Android. Sell one of those and there is a huge installed base of folks to assist with any issue. Kinda like the heyday of Windows on PCs.
Sell a customer a BlackBerry or Windows Phone and I'd say the chances of an unhappy customer with a return are a lot higher.
Someone else said it. The carriers just want to sign folks into contacts with the least amount of friction possible. They really as companies don't care what platforms are "winning" .
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People should not forget that RIM was Verizon's first choice to be their champion.01-28-15 11:01 AMLike 0 - I'm not contesting that, just making a point that they ended up losing the game because of not catching it in time, which leaves the blame on their shoulders.01-28-15 11:03 AMLike 0
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Ideally sure they'd like the pie to be sliced up such that they can dictate phone designs, etc. like in their heyday. And also like they are still able to do in some cases (AT&T and the Passport).
But Apple is making everyone play things their way. Money talks --
As for BlackBerry as a "champion" -- they gave Verizon the Storm to counter the iPhone on AT&T.
I think when Windows Phone came out they said what was expected to promote a good relationship with Microsoft. Then over time as things have eroded sales-wise they've acted accordingly. They have "x" customers in the door each day. And "x" amount of service slots to make a sale. That's all that matters.01-28-15 01:01 PMLike 0 - It was said the carriers hated Apple becoming so powerful. Dictating so many units must be sold by contract, etc. Yet Apple seems more powerful than ever. 18 billion flipping dollars profit in 3 months.
Ideally sure they'd like the pie to be sliced up such that they can dictate phone designs, etc. like in their heyday. And also like they are still able to do in some cases (AT&T and the Passport).
But Apple is making everyone play things their way. Money talks --
As for BlackBerry as a "champion" -- they gave Verizon the Storm to counter the iPhone on AT&T.
I think when Windows Phone came out they said what was expected to promote a good relationship with Microsoft. Then over time as things have eroded sales-wise they've acted accordingly. They have "x" customers in the door each day. And "x" amount of service slots to make a sale. That's all that matters.
And I have zero doubt that as soon as Apple starts showing weakness the carriers will turn on them like rabid sand fleas.01-28-15 03:58 PMLike 0 -
Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android01-28-15 04:06 PMLike 0 - Lumia 530 and 630 make big gains, Lumia 535 a hit in India but Windows Phone flagships are scarce | Windows Central
An interesing article from Windows Central. It is clear that WP's market share is mostly comprised of low/mid level phones. I still have no idea why BB thought that going only after the high-end market was a good idea.
Passport would be the only BB10 device thus far to truly warrant a high end designation.eyesopen1111 likes this.01-28-15 04:22 PMLike 1 - I would love to see the day when all manufacturers can push out updates without having to worry about the silly carriers
Posted via CB10southlander likes this.01-28-15 04:33 PMLike 1 - Here in the US, the carriers make flagship phones very affordable, so few care about the low-spec, low end phone market that MS has focussed on. When you go into the stores, most of what you see are flagship devices, so the low-spec bias that has plagued Nokia for oh-so-long still fails to attract large numbers.
Another central problem for Windows Phone is high return rate/low customer satisfaction. Windows Phone is just not very good. Nokia's market share plummeted from 30% globally to 3% currently largely after they converted to Windows Phone. Why would carriers push a phone that customers reject or return?
Plus, Windows Phone actually cheapens the hardware it is sold on, as identically specced phones with Android on them will earn more money, which is why other OEMs have largely abandoned the OS.01-28-15 04:38 PMLike 0 -
If Samsung or Microsoft or Google or Motorola or BlackBerry could offer the same service (by spending billions on retail storefronts and having trained techs and inventory to handle customer issues), then they might be able to get the same concessions. Until then, as long as the carrier has to provide support, the carriers are going to insist on having control of OS update rollouts (i.e., AFTER putting those updates through thorough carrier testing, on the carrier's schedule).Laura Knotek and southlander like this.01-28-15 05:53 PMLike 2 - Prem WatsAppCrackBerry Jester of JestersHere in the US, the carriers make flagship phones very affordable, so few care about the low-spec, low end phone market that MS has focussed on. When you go into the stores, most of what you see are flagship devices, so the low-spec bias that has plagued Nokia for oh-so-long still fails to attract large numbers.
Another central problem for Windows Phone is high return rate/low customer satisfaction. Windows Phone is just not very good. Nokia's market share plummeted from 30% globally to 3% currently largely after they converted to Windows Phone. Why would carriers push a phone that customers reject or return?
Plus, Windows Phone actually cheapens the hardware it is sold on, as identically specced phones with Android on them will earn more money, which is why other OEMs have largely abandoned the OS.
Same dilemma as BB10? :-|
� Telstra + Classic, Optus + PP, AT&T + PP , Verizon + Classic... why the mix, Mr. Fix? �eyesopen1111 likes this.01-28-15 08:23 PMLike 1 - I have a Lumia 1520 as a second device and I think MS has figured out a good system: they've broken the OS components into apps so that they can update the apps independent of carrier.
For example, the camera, network etc all show up as apps so they can push updates without pushing a full OS.
I do feel a lot of things lacking with the Lumia, though I like the MSN apps and the large Amoled screen is nice for videos and for reading my kindle books. The device sucks though, as a communications tool!
Posted via CB1001-28-15 10:14 PMLike 0 -
Since iOS and Google have huge funds/resources and they never stand still, there is little to no time for challengers to catch up. Since price is not such a big factor due to carrier easy pay plans, the best phone wins. So, unless the customer really wants the USP of the challenger, like a Nokia camera phone or a BlackBerry keyboard, they'll probably go with iOS or Android. And the carriers wouldn't have it any other way, since they'd much prefer this situation to a bunch of returns to process as BlackBerry/MS customers come back because they can't FaceTime/Google Hangout with their friends.01-28-15 10:16 PMLike 0
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