Windows 8 is aweful...and if WP8 is just as bad, RIM has a real chance of success
- Windows 8 might be a worse upgrade than Vista was back when it released. the new UI/UX is inconsistent, confusing, and reduces productivity. Getting rid of the start menu for non-touch PCs is several steps back. And Microsoft did it just so that it can force users into metro and get more developers to develop for it's metro app store. Clever except that Windows 8 is soooo bad that most PCs will probably avoid it all together.
And if you think I'm an Apple fanboy, you couldn't be more wrong. In fact, I usually jump on new windows releases the day they come out. I refuse to leave Windows for the same reason I refuse to leave BlackBerry, I value function over form. But with Windows 8, it's clear that Microsoft tried to put form over function, and failed miserably at it. I can't see this OS useful for any use beyond tablets. Definitely not upgrading from Windows 7.
If this is all Microsoft has to show for windows 8 and WP8 then RIM has a really good chance at making a come back. BB10 seems more promising and exciting so far.ryzama likes this.10-28-12 02:14 AMLike 1 - I too am curious about the sales numbers, but what really will interest me is the return rate after people figure out that it's not what they thought it was.10-28-12 02:23 AMLike 0
- ThunderbuckRetired ModeratorWhile I agree that Metro was created as a touch interface, it is still surprisingly usable on a desktop. Finding that top-left corner makes a big difference.sashlon and pantlesspenguin like this.10-28-12 02:45 AMLike 2
- Windows 8 is fine. I don't see users having any major problems adjusting.
They did make one major mistake, however, and it's going to hurt them in the mobile space. They walled-off "Metro" apps.
That might not have been a major issue in the mobile space right now, but it's a big deal on the desktop. I won't even get started on the headache that businesses ... well ... see for yourself
Needless to say, while I'm very attracted to the platform, I will not be developing Metro-style apps on principle. Microsoft has generally been good to developers, and I've enjoyed using their tools to produce apps for platforms like PocketPC. That history, however, doesn't buy them enough loyalty for me to overlook something this dangerous to personal computing.
I'm a bit flustered just thinking about this. Most of the news talks about how it's bad for game developers, but the same arguments apply for development in general, so I'll pass along this. (If someone has a better article, please post it.)
To the negative Nancys: Yes, I know. RIM annoyed me a bit when they decided I could no longer install an app by just clicking a link in the browser. I'm much more forgiving when it comes to mobile right now, and they still have a fairly simple process to let me side-load apps that doesn't require a special version of their OS and other ridiculous requirements.10-28-12 03:08 AMLike 0 - Windows 8 is fine. I don't see users having any major problems adjusting.
They did make one major mistake, however, and it's going to hurt them in the mobile space. They walled-off "Metro" apps.
That might not have been a major issue in the mobile space right now, but it's a big deal on the desktop. I won't even get started on the headache that businesses ... well ... see for yourself
Needless to say, while I'm very attracted to the platform, I will not be developing Metro-style apps on principle. Microsoft has generally been good to developers, and I've enjoyed using their tools to produce apps for platforms like PocketPC. That history, however, doesn't buy them enough loyalty for me to overlook something this dangerous to personal computing.
I'm a bit flustered just thinking about this. Most of the news talks about how it's bad for game developers, but the same arguments apply for development in general, so I'll pass along this. (If someone has a better article, please post it.)
To the negative Nancys: Yes, I know. RIM annoyed me a bit when they decided I could no longer install an app by just clicking a link in the browser. I'm much more forgiving when it comes to mobile right now, and they still have a fairly simple process to let me side-load apps that doesn't require a special version of their OS and other ridiculous requirements.10-28-12 03:32 AMLike 0 - dude. I think people will clearly know the difference. that RT has office 2013 installed on every RT tablet. that is how people tell the difference and since Office 2013 is basically a deal breaker for many people10-28-12 03:42 AMLike 0
- Thanks all! Crackberry forums rock! I love being able to learn about Windows 8 from you guys.
With WP7, you can "pin to start" basically anything to the start screen, does the same apply for Win 8? Could I "pin to start" all the items I'm working on?10-28-12 04:43 AMLike 0 -
- I have a Samsung Ativ SmartPC and Windows 8 installed on my desktop. I think on desktop it's perfectly fine to get used to.
I went my local tech store and there was a massive crowd in the Windows 8 section. most of them are around the tablets. most of them are looking at the aspire S7 and Ativ SmartPC10-28-12 04:59 AMLike 0 - M$ are nearer to dominate desktop and mobile environment, which are converging rapidly. Product market domination is not really a good thing.
RIM bring BB10/QnX to the desktop environment (x86) under Amiga brand.Heliogabalus likes this.10-28-12 06:08 AMLike 1 -
Most of the returns will come later anyways. This is the initial wave of fanboys....it will be later when more "average" people buy that the confusion will become more of a problem!10-28-12 06:37 AMLike 0 - Out of topic, xbox is big @ NAM. Not in Europe (even considering it is cheaper than ps3) or most parts of the world, so it is not a global sucesso.10-28-12 06:49 AMLike 0
- Windows 8 is Windows 7, instead of a start bar you get a start screen full of tiles that eat up your ram. 90 percent of the tiles you click take you back into desktop mode. Its extra work for the same intentions, but what can you do?
Sent from my BlackBerry 9900 using Tapatalk
Also, Windows 8 is FAR more forgiving on ram than Windows 7.10-28-12 06:49 AMLike 0 - I don't find Windows 8 bad at all. Its so easy and fast to switch to Win 7 mode if you dislike the Metro look (which I don't mind). My main annoyance is the bezel gestures--they are good but i'm just waiting to hear people say how bb10 "stole bezel gestures from windows 8" :/ ughh...
Sent from my BlackBerry 9810 using Tapatalk10-28-12 07:18 AMLike 0 - I switched both my desktop and laptop already. I'm coming from Vista but I've never had a problem with that either. I just wanted a better experience between my pcs in the house and this gives it to me. I love the active tiles. Having the basic information right there without having to click on it is very handy. I can see how this will be a smooth experience for WP8 and Surface users. It seems like a very smooth transitional system.10-28-12 07:21 AMLike 0
-
Um...you...you DO know that the Search button is essentially the start button now, right? And from there, oh look, there's the desktop feature which you can also put on the start screen if you so choose. And I think the expression you're looking for is KICK @$$, not KISS @$$.
I never mentioned "search"10-28-12 09:27 AMLike 0 -
Again, I am curious as to how many people will be returning their RT surface due to confusion about what it actually is.10-28-12 09:39 AMLike 0 - Windows 8 might be a worse upgrade than Vista was back when it released. the new UI/UX is inconsistent, confusing, and reduces productivity. Getting rid of the start menu for non-touch PCs is several steps back. And Microsoft did it just so that it can force users into metro and get more developers to develop for it's metro app store. Clever except that Windows 8 is soooo bad that most PCs will probably avoid it all together.
And if you think I'm an Apple fanboy, you couldn't be more wrong. In fact, I usually jump on new windows releases the day they come out. I refuse to leave Windows for the same reason I refuse to leave BlackBerry, I value function over form. But with Windows 8, it's clear that Microsoft tried to put form over function, and failed miserably at it. I can't see this OS useful for any use beyond tablets. Definitely not upgrading from Windows 7.
If this is all Microsoft has to show for windows 8 and WP8 then RIM has a really good chance at making a come back. BB10 seems more promising and exciting so far.
1) I am yet to see any NEGATIVE review for Windows 8 from any frontline tech reviewer. Arstechnica, Anandtech, Engadget, theVerge....pretty much everyone says Windows 8 is either 'awesome' or 'very good'.
2) Most PC users will either have Windows 8 installed by default in new computers...or will update due to the low upgrade pricing. Only the close minded are avoiding Windows 8 for now...and that number will whittle down. 99% of the complaints targeted at Vista were due to performance issue. Windows 8 performs visibly better than the very well received Windows 7. No issues.
3) The reason why I can call you a troll with ease is because you try to rope in WP8 in your scaremongering article. Microsoft has not yet launched WP8 or detailed many of the new features. Also, I cannot see how the success of Windows 8 affects RIM's chances...your last sentence makes a convincing case that you just aren't very bright at all.10-28-12 09:39 AMLike 5 -
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using Tapatalk 210-28-12 09:40 AMLike 0 - I'm a bit flustered just thinking about this. Most of the news talks about how it's bad for game developers, but the same arguments apply for development in general, so I'll pass along this. (If someone has a better article, please post it.)
Gabe Newell is unhappy with Metro and the Windows Store because he's thinking with his stomach...he fears the negative effect the pre-installed marketplace would have on his Steam service.
Game developers can continue to make games for the DEsktop mode...and folks will be able to purchase and play them on the desktop.
Why do you expect Microsoft not to use the 'walled garden' approach? You expect them to give up on the revenue from the Store?
For those who like Sideloading, Desktop Mode still exists.10-28-12 09:47 AMLike 0 - Also Metro is great for devs as they have a chance to reach a wider audience and can have their game become xbox live enabled. That and microsoft will probably have publishing deals to release one game and mutiple platforms for the amount of one game.
Look at Skulls of the shogun its going to be able to bought on Xbox Live Arcade, Windows store, and Windows Phone store. Not only that but your saves are synched between the three and you can play from any of the versions. That and all Metro games I've played have mutiple control types depending on how your playing (touch, mouse and keyboard, xbox controller)
Microsoft could easily leverage that to get more developer's to develop for its system. Say Gameloft develops NOVA5 and it hits Windows 8,Xbox, and Windows phone all on the same day.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using Tapatalk 210-28-12 10:07 AMLike 0 -
- I disagree. Been using windows 8 since Thursday and I already love it. Installed the synaptic's drivers and have been loving using the whole Microsoft ecosystem. Having all of my documents synch through skydrive (something I was using but not to its full extent due to having XP formerly).
You might already be aware of this but just in case you aren't.. the skydrive metro app doesn't provide full sync - download the skydrive app from the store for the full featured version.10-28-12 11:20 AMLike 0 - Big Boy Office?! Tell me everything you know about this.... I'm reluctant to install anything with his name on it.10-28-12 12:15 PMLike 0
- Forum
- Popular at CrackBerry
- General BlackBerry News, Discussion & Rumors
Windows 8 is aweful...and if WP8 is just as bad, RIM has a real chance of success
Similar Threads
-
Please help! bb is locked and my password is NOT working!
By Berryblackuser in forum BlackBerry Curve SeriesReplies: 12Last Post: 06-30-20, 11:33 AM -
OS 2.0 is here.. and I think it just bricked my PB..
By belsunce in forum BlackBerry PlayBook OSReplies: 4Last Post: 02-21-12, 06:01 AM -
Led not flashing when battery is low and when battery is full charged
By kingo_ in forum BlackBerry Curve SeriesReplies: 1Last Post: 07-18-10, 01:33 PM -
Ever Since I downloaded .148 My Call Quality Is Awful and Battery Drain is Terrible..
By Bettermost in forum BlackBerry Storm SeriesReplies: 22Last Post: 06-04-09, 02:11 PM -
Ever Since I downloaded .148 My Call Quality Is Awful and Battery Drain is Terrible..
By Bettermost in forum BlackBerry Storm SeriesReplies: 4Last Post: 06-03-09, 09:49 AM
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD