[GEO1ER]

What boxes are not ticked for you on the Z30? IMO I think it is also logical upgrade.

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The z30 is a nice device but let's be real why would you upgrade to a device that is now outdated. I mean as nice as it is I already took issue with the fact that it had the same resolution as the Z10 on a bigger screen. I would love a Z30 if JC offered it to us with updated high end specs and a better resolution screen with brighter more vivid colors, the phone is sexy, but if your gonna upgrade from a Z10 it would be silly to upgrade to a phone just about as old as it. I really hope JC stops playing around and gives us a new high end all touch device.

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[ChainPunch]

If you are not in the enterprise/business, Chen does not care about you at this point. Target market is the enterprise and us consumers get whatever they provide to them, it is just that simple.

[conite]

If you are not in the enterprise/business, Chen does not care about you at this point. Target market is the enterprise and us consumers get whatever they provide to them, it is just that simple.

"Not caring" is a bit extreme. Understanding that there is no return on investment in the consumer space is more accurate. But your point is otherwise valid.

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[silversmith75]

What boxes are not ticked for you on the Z30? IMO I think it is also logical upgrade.

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The z30 is not an upgrade option for me. I prefer the size of the z10. If it would have been upgraded with a 2500Mah battery I would a bought a bunch of spare. But I don't consider the z30 the next thing to the z10. Rather another line.



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[Granrey]

I don't get the idea either with the Rio phone.

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[conite]

I don't get the idea either with the Rio phone.

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What's not to get? You have the two potentially mass produced low-cost Foxconn corporate workhorses (Rio and Classic - touch and qwerty), and the executive/medical/architectural/specialised Passport. For what Chen is trying to achieve, it's ideal.

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[Avenzuno]

Sure, why not? I'm just frustrated I have to wait another couple of months to upgrade my Z30 to the official, and hopefully stable,10.3.1.

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[Granrey]

What's not to get? You have the two potentially mass produced low-cost Foxconn corporate workhorses (Rio and Classic - touch and qwerty), and the executive/medical/architectural/specialised Passport. For what Chen is trying to achieve, it's ideal.

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Which market are they aiming at?

Current bb10 users? No, cause we have similar in price (z3), in spec (z10) or better (z30).

Legacy users? No, cause they want keyboard and we have those: q10, classic or passport.

Android and iPhone users? No, cause they can get better deals.

This phone most likely will no sale at all. You can write it on the wall.

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[conite]

Which market are they aiming at?

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Was I not clear? Corporate workhorses. This is what BlackBerry's enterprise people will be flogging. Both 2gb, low-cost, low-risk bb10 devices. Companies can choose between keyboard and all-touch.

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[Granrey]

Was I not clear? Corporate workhorses. This is what BlackBerry's enterprise people will be flogging. Both 2gb, low-cost, low-risk bb10 devices. Companies can choose between keyboard and all-touch.

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All the bb10 phones already released meet that criteria.

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[Granrey]

They are currently no blackberry phone like that right now anymore because all z and q series are discontinued John Chen said that they are depleting all inventory to make room for the new phones next year and when corporations want to buy BlackBerry 10 phones next year they will not have an option like the z10 or q10 or z30 or q5 anymore....so BlackBerry needs a classic phone and a midrange touch screen phone for those business....plus when the z10 and z30 and q10 launched they we re extremely expensive compared to the classic we have now and Rio if it exists and if it will be priced at sub $300...big difference

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K this makes more sense.

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[conite]

All the bb10 phones already released meet that criteria.

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Not true at all. No previous phone has 2gb and was built by Foxconn.

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[SK122387]

I sure hope so. The Z10 was good and the Z30 was even better. BlackBerry does indeed know how to make a good touch screen phone. Will it have all the apps on other platforms? No, but I don't think that's why many here are interested in it.

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[Granrey]

Not true at all. No previous phone has 2gb and was built by Foxconn.

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Is that important to change from a previous bb10 phone or from a droid/iPhone device? No.

However, if the old bb10 are not being manufacture anymore. I guess is ok.

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[conite]

Is that important to change from a previous bb10 phone or from a droid/iPhone device? No

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This is not the market. Chen wants devices to bring to the enterprise to help leverage BES12 that are low risk and low cost to BlackBerry.

Neither is he looking to upgrade BB10 owners - he's looking to upgrade BBOS7 owners.

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[Granrey]

- he's looking to upgrade BBOS7 owners.

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I don't think Rio is the proper answer to that. The z3, Z10 and z30 did not do it.

I don't see why Rio would be the answer. More of the same.

People don't want phones for being affordable.

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[conite]

I don't think Rio is the proper answer to that. The z3, Z10 and z30 did not do it.

I don't see why Rio would be the answer. More of the same.

People don't want phones for being affordable.

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I give up. I think you're intentionally missing my point.

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[lnichols]

The Z30 is an excellent device that BlackBerry basically canned at launch by not promoting it. The Passport is only BlackBerry device better In specs, and the new phones (Classic and soon Rio) are using the same processor as the Q10 and Z10 which means that 10.3.X is being optimized for low end hardware. I don't like this strategy as I saw it before with BBOS and it basically imploded in their face, and the hardware savings were never passed down to the user. Having now compared the Z30 to Z10 I can safely say the Z10 was horribly under powered, constantly ran hot when out under any load, and is not a good platform for BB10. I don't understand why they could not standardize on the MSM9860T in the Z30 as it runs BB10 buttery smooth, and gives them some growth capability. Using three year old hardware is going to either limit what your software engineers can do that's cool and new in the IS, limit developers, or end of life the hardware quicker (BBOS 4 to 5 to 6 to 7 anyone) . BlackBerry should be more open with the roadmap since they are not competing with anyone anyways and so the people like us who still choose to use BlackBerry know whether or not a device is worth buying or if we should wait.

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[leejayh]

Agree with moving from old hardware. The z30 is a great phone, but does not have true att LTE support.

Their big mistake in making that phone was not broadening the LTE support to include att bands they way they did for the Passport

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[kellyjdrummer]

I currently have a Z10 which i really like, and if there is any news about a new High-end "Z" i would rather wait for it than buy a Z30, Passport looks nice and it's a big upgrade for blackberry but i'm currently waiting for a new Z.


#TeamBlackbery #Z1O

After at least eight years and five phones with Blackberry, I moved to the Samsung Galaxy Note 3. It wasn't easy. I really wanted the Z-10 (the last BB I owned) to be "The One."

After now owning, mainly as a business device, my N3 for six months, I can't imagine going back to Blackberry. It was awesome while I owned it, my Bold 9900 being very nice, but looking back, it was limited.

My Note 3 far exceeds my last device. Being able to customize every single aspect of this phone is very nice. Multiple launchers is the cherry on the top. Making voice calls from multiple apps is very nice as well.

[2ndcrack]

Blackberry needs an all-touch volume-leader for business. It has to be a practical choice from a spec perspective particularly screen size and battery life, but it also has to hit a relatively low price-point. Apple was using their 4s in this market although they will likely move up to 5 with the release of 6. The z10 doesn't meet the battery or screen-size requirement, and some z30 features are too fancy for general corporate use, hence the need for Rio. There is little doubt that BlackBerry will release another all-touch flagship in the future... but that is not the current priority. If you are a spec-chaser you should switch to android as over-spec'ing hardware is the value proposition of some manufacturers in that camp, and not even apple is keeping up. If you just want a very nice high-performance device on the best mobile os then pick up a z30, at the current shopblackberry sale price it is quite simply the best deal on the market. BlackBerry's focus is not on the consumer market and they are not likely to be at the leading edge spec-wise for the foreseeable future. If that is cause for you to leave the brand then you should do so and save yourself and us from your constant laments.

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[lnichols]

The z10 doesn't meet the battery or screen-size requirement, and some z30 features are too fancy for general corporate use, hence the need for Rio.

What are these fancy features? It simply has a better processor/GPU combo and larger battery. The Z30 processor isn't some bleeding edge one either, it was simply one step up from the Z10's in the product line and is the same age as the Z10's processor. Would probably have cost them a few more bucks per unit. Here is the sad thing, Amazon has a FireTV with a Snapdragon 600 that has a quad core GPU for $80. Yeah they are probably losing a little on the hardware, but not a ton. This would be the modern equivalent to the Z30 processor and is positioned for mid range phones and tablets. BlackBerry is instead using a 2 gen old processor and pricing the devices at mid range. I feel like we are back in BBOS days complaining about how BlackBerry out the same Marvell processor in devices for way too long. Did wonders for their reputation too!

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[2ndcrack]

Here is the sad thing, Amazon has a FireTV with a Snapdragon 600 that has a quad core GPU for $80. Yeah they are probably losing a little on the hardware, but not a ton. This would be the modern equivalent to the Z30


You have convinced me that you should buy a fire phone, enjoy!


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[mkelley65]

Agree with moving from old hardware. The z30 is a great phone, but does not have true att LTE support.

Their big mistake in making that phone was not broadening the LTE support to include att bands they way they did for the Passport

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That's up to the carrier to commission the band spectrum on the devices.

[lnichols]

That's up to the carrier to commission the band spectrum on the devices.

Exactly there was an STA100-1 that had AT&T support but they didn't want it. The STA100-5 covered most of NA bands in use where the -1 would have been more AT&T specific. Blame then not BlackBerry!

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