- CrackBerry User
11-28-12, 06:35 PM #26
- 36 Posts
I'm a Blackberry fanboy and I don't even mind the extra monthly payment for BIS here in Germany (5Euros/month), but what I do mind, is this feeling to be caught in that BIS thing, without any chance to read an email, acces facebook or twitter apps without being connected to BIS.. basically my bold is useless without BIS service. But then, what if I wanted to use the device with a foreign prepaid card? What if I wanted to only read my email abroad whilest being connected via Wifi without having to switch on data, as else it won't even connect to these "awesome" BIS servers?
The Playbook is able to do all this without BIS! Why then deny it for all future BB10 users? Why not at least offer it as a choice! I do understand that some people might want the whole BIS thing for security and for push (although my 3rd party logicmail app delivers emails 1-2sec before BIS does!) But I really don't think RIM can further dictate BIS to their customers and carriers. Nope. Really No.
Some years ago there was not a single carrier offering BIS in China. So what if you were to move to there for a year? And don't tell me, you'd be paying for roaming fees to China for one year! Maybe my personal case isn't representative - having lived on three continents within the last three years - but isn't this the business case RIM advertises its services for?
Thus I'll still keep my current bold - best device in terms of efficiency - but I'd rather die before buying a BB10 device that's constrained to BIS once more.. Plus I'm going to buy a secondary phone (probably android) for all the cases when my Bold leaves me struggling alone...
Just my 2 cent. I'm sure some of you might have a different oppinion on this sensitive topic
Last edited by megabus; 11-28-12 at 06:47 PM.
- 11-28-12, 07:22 PM #27
1. pop3 is able to be done on a PlayBook without BIS, so I would imagine BB would be capable of doing this on the phones if they cared to (I don't think they care to, they like the added revenue). As long as you are connected to the internet by your phone, you should be able to pull in pop3 email.
2. What I don't think they can do without the NOC is BBM. If you want BBM I don't think you can get it without BIS and it's why PlayBook doesn't have it yet.
I think from what I read that many of use would like the option to opt for a plain vanilla data plan that works with a BB phone without BIS and therefore without BBM, while others of us couldn't think of life without BBM and don't mind paying the extra. From what I saw above - the phones will require the BIS and we won't have the option to opt out.
- 11-28-12, 10:30 PM #28
My Dev Alpha has 100% BIS/BES free BBM. It works just as fast and as well as BBM on my Bold. The PlayBook has email. So there ya go, proof positive that there truly is no need for BIS to be forced onto normal everyday consumers. They have already made BBM and email that doesn't need the NOC. They just wont let us use those because they want to squeeze out that monthly revenue source.
To be honest, I'm starting to think that the WiFi only PlayBook was never supposed to have native email. Originally, I thought Bridge was just a crutch they made because RIM was too incompetent to get email ready for the PlayBook before launch. But the more I think about it, the more I realize It was just RIM's way to make sure that you couldn't use email on the PlayBook without a BIS subscription. If it weren't for the massive backlash, I bet the PlayBook would still depend on Bridge for email right now.
- 11-29-12, 10:02 AM #30
I am new to the world of blackberry's as I have only become interested since I have seen BB10, so am I right in thinking that I cant just take my micro sim from my iphone 4 and put it in a blackberry as it wont work? I am in the Uk by the way. This is really annoying if I cant as I am on a very cheap tariff that is more than enough for my needs so dont want to pay more if I dont need to.
- 11-29-12, 11:48 AM #31
Will Blackberry 10 require BIS?
Yes, you will need BIS to use blackberry services (email, video etc. Oh! And save data)
So you will have to pay for it.
And, it is not a scheme for money.
People are paying for quality service on dedicated servers.
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- 11-29-12, 01:07 PM #32
I understand the security advantages of BIS and definitely BES but if Blackberry want to attract casual iphone or android users they may want to rethink this as some people may not see any value in having this extra layer of security and may just see it as another reason not to get a blackberry, I personally do appreciate the added security and will pay the extra £5 a month it will cost me to use BIS but general Joe public may not care about security and just want the cheapest price regardless of the security issues.
I know things work differently in the US and I may be in the minority here but I like to buy my phones directly and unlocked which then allows me to move between different sim contracts more easily but this does now complicate matters further if I can only move to plans that support BIS.
- 11-29-12, 02:02 PM #33
- 11-29-12, 02:02 PM #34
In the US this isn't as big of an issue as people are making of it at least when you compare RIM to Apple. With Apple you, or the the carrier subsidizing the phone, are paying for "free" iCloud services with a premium fee on the device. Base iPhone costs $649 dollars, and even if you are only paying $200 with a contract, the carrier is paying the rest to Apple. This ridiculous high subsidy compared to other phones hasn't prevented carriers from carrying or pushing the iPhone. Android is subsidizing their services with ads to end users and selling your data they have mined through your usage to the highest bidder (probably the most profitable for the carriers and why Verizon is pushing Droid so hard). RIM is billing carriers for these services when a person is actually using the device. If the carrier pays $120 over the life of a two year contract to a third party in services when used, or eats $150 more in subsidy price for a third party device, what is the difference to the carrier? Also with things like carrier billing for apps, music, movies, etc. coming with BB10, you think that carriers aren't getting a cut of each transaction?
Now for SIM swappers and carriers that charge extra for Blackberry data plans I can see where this could hurt RIM some with potential customers. But SIM swappers aren't RIM's target audience IMHO. Me speculating, I think that the majority of major services like e-mail, web, and apps that connect to raw internet will work just fine on BB10 device without a BB data plan, you simply won't have access to BB services that use the NOC (BBM, VideoChat, BBTravel, BB Maps, etc), and RIM is requiring the plan to eliminate the possibility of getting a degraded user experience. Personally at some point I think global roaming MiFi devices/services like one just announce for 5GB for $50 month-to-month and VoIP services will be the way to go in the future and make this less of an issue. Keep your phone number, have your data plan with your main provider, and just turn off the radio on travel and use WiFi only to the MiFi device. But
- CrackBerry Master
11-29-12, 02:40 PM #35
- 1,443 Posts
- 11-29-12, 04:03 PM #36
- 11-29-12, 05:04 PM #37
As I have said before, how can BBs be considered an 'international' device when prepaid BB plans are almost non-existant.
Why must your bis setting be tied to your provider/sim?
BIS works via wifi but if I put a foriegn prepaid card, I instantly lose my host routing table entries.
- 11-29-12, 08:13 PM #38
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- CrackBerry Master
11-30-12, 09:01 AM #41
- 1,443 Posts
In the past, RIM has behaved like it's a slave to carriers while other Apple, Android have always put customer's/end-user's interest ahead of carrier's. Eg: PIN locking, disabling Skype like apps etc. Look where they (Apple and Android) are now and where BlackBerry is now. Hope RIM puts our (end-user's) interest ahead this time. Dear RIM, I am a shareholder -- and consider this my vote -- put end-user's interest ahead of carrier's!
- 11-30-12, 09:31 AM #43
If you lose access to BIS for some reason such as they are having server problems but you still have 3G or wifi access are you still able to access the internet and apps that need a data connection or does nothing work or is it just specific things such as BBM and email etc?
- CrackBerry Newbie
12-12-12, 02:22 AM #45
- 1 Posts
Blackberry10 and BIS
Ok you need the BIS ..... What's the problem ? Italy 5 euros per month for bis (ulimited). Others carriers charge an average fee for data plans about 10 euros month.
Limitations? Nothing, except YouTube on bb phone.
Second question more important? Do you know how bis / bes works?
That's why I appreciate bb! Security! If u don't care about this no problem!
But if I want to write something confidential, foe example, BBM is the fastest and trusted solution
Otherwise ios or android can be the right solution.
Ps (I have an android phone too and in the past an iphone3gs)all these work great, it depends for what you get a smartphone
- CrackBerry Abuser
12-27-12, 04:58 AM #47
- 440 Posts
I agree totally with the opinion of making BIS/BES optional on BB10. We everyday consumers dont require so much security and having to pay extra just for the sake of using FB and email is just ridiculous. I am a big time BB fan and I am very very excited about os10. Infact Ive already made enough savings to buy a BB10 phone as soon as its released. But if RIM makes BIS/BES mandatory .. well its a deal breaker for me.. I will have to switch to nexus 4 or oppo find 5. I just want BB10 phones to work like playbook wifi. That would make me a happy man.Donít rub the lamp if you donít want the genie to come out.
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