Will Blackberry 10 require BIS?
- It's a very important question for those wanting to bail on big-cellular for pay-as-you-go plans or "monthly" plans that don't allow BIS. Here in America, StraightTalk offers AT&T or T-Mobile SIM cards for a penny and charge $45/mo for unlimited data, calling, text. What a deal, right?! Except...I can't use my Blackberry 9900. Well, I can, but I won't get e-mail, BBM, or Facebook. Ouch.
So will Blackberry 10 require BIS? The Playbook doesn't, and it works just fine . My guess...is yes, otherwise how will it receive pushed messages.11-23-12 08:16 AMLike 0 - SlcCorradoBlackBerryShort answer... Yes. Wifi only PB is an exeption as it doesn't have cellular connectivity11-23-12 09:08 AMLike 0
- It's a very important question for those wanting to bail on big-cellular for pay-as-you-go plans or "monthly" plans that don't allow BIS. Here in America, StraightTalk offers AT&T or T-Mobile SIM cards for a penny and charge $45/mo for unlimited data, calling, text. What a deal, right?! Except...I can't use my Blackberry 9900. Well, I can, but I won't get e-mail, BBM, or Facebook. Ouch.
So will Blackberry 10 require BIS? The Playbook doesn't, and it works just fine . My guess...is yes, otherwise how will it receive pushed messages.11-23-12 10:39 AMLike 0 - SlcCorradoBlackBerryNot true at all. Sync (server polling) and push are not the same. Also, having rims dedicated network is far from a "scheme"OniBerry and jinxednuance like this.11-23-12 11:06 AMLike 2
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Gmail supports ActiveSync, I believe Hotmail (Outlook Online now?) does as well, and any corporate infrastructure NOT using EAS is probably still using flip phones instead of modern devices.randall2580 likes this.11-23-12 11:57 AMLike 1 - I think that not everyone needs BIS services or even cares about BIS.
If RIM limits wireless data because of their type of service subscription, it will harm their overall sales. I have android, and for my personal data usage, it is fine (e-mail are not for real time communication... right?).
not an expert, so bare this in mind, RIM could create two type of services:
* professional - blackberry.net APN access with BIS/BES services
* casual - normal internet APN access.
This wold make me happy.11-23-12 12:05 PMLike 4 - I use Ubersocial for Twitter and Facebook
I use LogicMail for email needs.
I use the above app(s) "NOT made by RIM" over normal 2G data plan. It works well for me. APN is manually set for it to work.
I use Unlimited BBM Only plan as well.
All these under Prepaid
If i can do all these under BBOS6, I dont think it will be very hard for RIM to make BB10 device flexible enough to run on/off BIS/BES depending on user's personal choice.
Note: Apps made by RIM will need FULL BIS. (Correct me if im wrong but this is how it is for me)11-23-12 12:22 PMLike 0 - Exchange ActiveSync is a push solution, it's basically instantaneous. Beats our BES server half the time.
Gmail supports ActiveSync, I believe Hotmail (Outlook Online now?) does as well, and any corporate infrastructure NOT using EAS is probably still using flip phones instead of modern devices.RonBHolmes2nd likes this.11-23-12 12:22 PMLike 1 - BBM requires BIS unless RIM has changed something. The BBM Only data plan does not include email and social networking applications produced by RIM as you noted.11-23-12 12:26 PMLike 0
- Exchange ActiveSync is a push solution, it's basically instantaneous. Beats our BES server half the time.
Gmail supports ActiveSync, I believe Hotmail (Outlook Online now?) does as well, and any corporate infrastructure NOT using EAS is probably still using flip phones instead of modern devices.
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There are several security-related tasks you can perform on a server that's running Exchange ActiveSync. One of the most important tasks is to configure an authentication method. Exchange ActiveSync runs on a computer running Exchange 2010 that has the Client Access server role installed. This server role is installed with a default self-signed digital certificate. Although the self-signed certificate is supported for Exchange ActiveSync, it isn't the most secure method of authentication. For additional security, consider deploying a trusted certificate from a third-party commercial certification authority (CA) or a trusted Windows public key infrastructure (PKI) certification authority.11-23-12 12:26 PMLike 0 - Some companies offer BBM and FB access free now. Not sure which company does this, but it's an option with one of their Curve bundles. It's a social pay-as-you-go plan, but this doesn't allow browsing.
The idea is to have a fully-featured BB10 phone with a $45/mo plan. If I can't have that, then I'm forced into AT&T or VZW just for the BB10 phone.11-23-12 01:27 PMLike 0 - And the other 50% of the time BlackBerry Enterprise Server mail delivery beats Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync. So your point is moot. From my own experience BlackBerry Enterprise Server mail delivery is practically instantaneous; a 2 second delay is acceptable. As for Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync this will be part of the new BlackBerry Enterprise Server as they phase-out MAPI which is used in the current BlackBerry Enterprise Server 4.x and 5.x series. Also, the new BlackBerry Enterprise Server is supposed to be mail platform agnostic meaning Research In Motion will only have to develop one version of BlackBerry Enterprise Server. If true this means we could see other mail platforms (apart from Microsoft Exchange, Novell GroupWise, and IBM Lotus Notes) being able to integrate with BlackBerry Enterprise Server. Now if only BlackBerry Enterprise Server was built on QNX and virtualized then any reliance upon a third-party operating system and services would be eliminated.11-23-12 01:54 PMLike 0
- Get rid of BIS.
Try going overseas and find a prepaid Blackberry dataplan.
I had to carry 2 phone with me in asia.
1 for phone calls
My BB for wifi access to BIS.chrysaurora likes this.11-23-12 08:28 PMLike 1 - Some companies offer BBM and FB access free now. Not sure which company does this, but it's an option with one of their Curve bundles. It's a social pay-as-you-go plan, but this doesn't allow browsing.
The idea is to have a fully-featured BB10 phone with a $45/mo plan. If I can't have that, then I'm forced into AT&T or VZW just for the BB10 phone.
for premium BIS (all you can get (connection over mobile and wifi network) + internet unlimited) takes cost USD 12 - 20 per month
for BIS Full (connection over mobile + wifi) takes cost USD 10 - 13 per month
for BIS business (email + BBM (browser exclude from apn blackberry.net); connection over mobile only) takes cost USD 6-8 per month
for BIS Social (BBM+social media (browser include in blackberry.net apn); connection over mobile only) takes cost USD 6-8 per month
For BES, takes cost USD 18 - USD 30 per month
those are for data plan only (cost number is approximately). You need to provide the blackberry handset by yourself. There is no carrier provides blackberry data plan with bb handset.11-23-12 11:10 PMLike 0 - I'm in Sweden and our operators don't support BIS and don't offer BB Devices on consumer level. But still there are many who uses BB Devices and want to have push and other internet connectivity to work without BIS.
Will it be the same issue with BB10 ? or will it be more open as Android & iOS?11-24-12 05:55 AMLike 0 - As I understand it, BlackBerry 10 is expected to connect via either a BlackBerry Enterprise Server (BES) or BlackBerry Internet Solution (BIS), as is the case with current BlackBerry devices... Of course, like current BlackBerry smartphones, one should also be able to connect to some data services via their service provider's APN (Internet access point).
It comes down to how the BlackBerry systems work "behind the scenes" and unless Research in Motion (RIM) completely overhaul the BES/BIS - which at this stage doesn't look likely - then data connectivity will remain the same...
January 30th will reveal all, but I wouldn't hold your breath for an alternative to the BES/BIS being announced.
Sent from my BlackBerry Curve 9320, using Tapatalk.11-24-12 06:30 AMLike 0 - Android, iPhone & WP8 both have true push support through various protocols ActiveSync, GoogleSync, Yahoo Push so the notion that BIS would be required to get push is not true, Even if it was the case, they could simply fall back on polling when you don't have a subscription, RIM wants to keep people on BIS because it means recurring monthly revenues. For me personally this would be a deal breaker, I want my apps and mail to work as long as I have a data connection of any sort.11-27-12 06:02 PMLike 4
- Android, iPhone & WP8 both have true push support through various protocols ActiveSync, GoogleSync, Yahoo Push so the notion that BIS would be required to get push is not true, Even if it was the case, they could simply fall back on polling when you don't have a subscription, RIM wants to keep people on BIS because it means recurring monthly revenues. For me personally this would be a deal breaker, I want my apps and mail to work as long as I have a data connection of any sort.ubizmo likes this.11-27-12 07:26 PMLike 1
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- This is a deal breaker for me as well. I'm sick of the BIS requirement. It cripples the device if you are not actively paying for service and no other devices force you to do that.
Recently, I keep seeing people freaking out over BBM Voice and I just can't help but wonder where these people have been the last few years. I currently have a WiFi only, Nexus 4. No service on it at all. It doesn't even have a SIM card in it. Yet I still have email, I can still use Twitter, Facebook, and any instant messaging apps available on Android. And if all of that isn't cool enough- I have unlimited voice calling, unlimited text messaging and I even get voicemail. My Nexus 4 is my home phone. Lol how cool is BBM Voice now? Especially when you consider that once you stop paying for BIS you lose BBM. A BlackBerry without service is a paperweight. Other devices without service can still function very well.
What BlackBerry offers isn't worth the BIS/BES requirement any more. I can get a prepaid T-Mobile plan with unlimited data and then my Nexus 4 would become a full featured smartphone with unlimited everything for only $30 a month. I want to be able to do that with a BB10 phone, but RIM won't allow it. They gotta keep milking us to have a chance of surviving I guess.digitalman101 and hduty like this.11-28-12 09:00 AMLike 2 -
- What BlackBerry offers isn't worth the BIS/BES requirement any more. I can get a prepaid T-Mobile plan with unlimited data and then my Nexus 4 would become a full featured smartphone with unlimited everything for only $30 a month. I want to be able to do that with a BB10 phone, but RIM won't allow it. They gotta keep milking us to have a chance of surviving I guess.11-28-12 11:04 AMLike 0
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BBM is now the least of my worries, I have my 1 contact left. Lol so for me personally, I just would like for the email and apps to work without BIS. Sounds like that isn't possible with T-Mobile prepaid since all they are giving you is access to bbm.
Bottom line, its bull that RIM is still doing this. No other deactivated smartphone has these restrictions. A used, deactivated, iPhone = a great iPod. You can give your kid your old iPhone and he can get use out of it without a monthly fee. RIM needs to give BB10 that ability also.hduty likes this.11-28-12 12:19 PMLike 1
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