- CrackBerry Newbie
12-20-2012, 12:47 AM #51
- 1 Posts
OMG! what if a horizontal slider?!
Ok so I currently have a torch! Absolutely looove the keyboard and the slider form factor and would love another one! But they should just use the L-series phone and attach a keyboard onto the back! I would love that! But yknow what would be a dream come true?! Would be a horizontal slider!!! I would pay any amount of money for a blackberry 10 horizontal slider with the screen of an L-series! Kind of related to the umm captivate hglide I think it was called! That would completely make my life like with 4g lte like the L-series will have right?? And the great screen it comes with and the amazing camera its gonna have! And omg my life would be made!
- 12-20-2012, 01:30 AM #52
- 12-20-2012, 09:58 AM #53Ed
Ursus moderatus levisomnus.
- 12-20-2012, 10:04 AM #54
I didn't mind the slider myself but preferred the 9900. It seemed like the 9810 was completely overwhelmed by the 9900 when that came out. If you wanted a "high end BlackBerry" and had a choice between the two, people went for the 9900.
- 12-20-2012, 10:07 AM #55
- CrackBerry Abuser
12-20-2012, 10:20 AM #56
- 208 Posts
I physically like sliding the screen up and down and getting that clicking noise... but if the virtual keyboard is as good as advertised I think the need for a slider is obsolete. I can see a greater need for a trackpad than the slider form factor. Of course some love the feel of a Qwerty keyboard but they have that addressed already. Maybe just make the Qwerty version have a taller screen?
- 12-20-2012, 03:58 PM #57
If Verizon had a slider, I would have bought one. The whole theory of limiting sliders to select networks was crazy, especially with AT&T - which had gotten into bed with Apple to be the sole distributor of iPhones for awhile. I understand that there were reasons for doing this, and I think they are garbage reasons in the grand scheme of RIM's strategy.
Just my 2 cents.
- CrackBerry Abuser
12-21-2012, 07:23 AM #58
- 144 Posts
- 12-23-2012, 01:24 PM #59
Why we need a BlackBerry 10 slider
The portrait slide on the 98's is my favorite style too. I use it outdoors and in the cold too. The mapping and GPS tools are awesome for 4-wheeling.
I've had my 9800 tore down all the way to change a cracked screen. The mechanism is complicated but it is an awesome and durable design. I can wait for RIM to perfect the next gen.
In the mean time I'll get the L (or Z) when they first hit the market. I just want a BB10 ASAP. Maybe I'll convert to the touch screen.Current: AT&T Z10. Past: 9800, 9700, 8100, 7130
- 12-23-2012, 01:56 PM #62
I have 3 9800 in the house and have had no problems.
I find that amazing that the L-series is so good that it makes a slider obsolete but somehow does not obsolete the N-series.
Blackberry is noted for the Keyboards. It would be a BIG mistake on Blackbarry to abandon the slider market to others. I fully beleive they are doing the 2 easy phones first and a slider will be a followup phone. I too will be in the market for 3 new phones in October 2013, and I pray it won't have to be an android.
- 12-23-2012, 02:16 PM #63Current: AT&T Z10. Past: 9800, 9700, 8100, 7130
- 12-23-2012, 11:57 PM #64
Leaving the slider market to others, obvious questions to that point would be what others and what market.
I think you will be disappointed as the follow up to the first wave of bb10 devices will almost certainly be lower cost models due to there being a market for them.
- CrackBerry Genius of Geniuses
12-24-2012, 12:04 AM #65
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- 12-24-2012, 09:28 AM #66
I am sure most of the competition has said the market has moved on from the QWERTY keyboard period.
I myself don't speak for the market like yourself. I know tons of people tha decided on the slider as opposed to the standard keyboard Blackberry or full screen phone. I guess Blackberry would know the sales of the slider and only they can take the risk of making a new one or abandoning the slider. Blackberry has decided that this keyboard niche would continue to differentiate themselves from the competion. I am sure many here agree that the physical keyboard is a good thing, while the argument here is whether having a half screen is adequate with a physical keyboard.
It seems to me that Blackberry would be smart to do another while they prove to world that they knoiw how to do a full screen phone properly. That's my opinion.
- 12-26-2012, 11:09 AM #67
We discussing what is old and what is new? How QWERTY is fine on 9900 and N-Series and how great Thumb typing is on L-series.
Are you still typing text messages and manually entering calendar items? That's for squares. iPhone users have been able to dictate text messages ever since the arrival of Siri, so if you've got a 4S or a 5 and you aren't constantly pressing that little microphone button below the keyboard, you're totally missing out. Also, Android's dictation engine has gotten alarmingly good with the arrival of Jelly Bean. It even works offline. If you don't have one of these devices, you can still speak your sandwich order by downloading a good dictation app -- Voice Dictation is the best for iOS, and Text by Voice is a good one for Android.
TIRED Thumb Typing
Please tell me you're at least using Swype.
EXPIRED Physical QWERTY
Why do manufacturers continue to make smartphones with physical keyboards? I refuse to believe real people actually buy them. I bet it's all just fleet purchases by midwestern firms that do IT for dentists offices or something. The phones are ugly and laughably huge, the sliding mechanisms are cumbersome, and the typing experience is almost always slower than a touchscreen. QWERTYs are so dorky, each phone should come with a free belt-clip holster and a pair of pleated khakis.
They making fun of the Blackberry community. I'd like to see how they dictate that text message during a meeting. Or are we heading to world where people walk around street talking to phones?
The rest of the article:
Wired, Tired, Expired for 2012: From Stellar to Suck | Gadget Lab | Wired.com
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- CrackBerry User
01-13-2013, 12:12 PM #68
- 56 Posts
I traded up to the GS3, because it was LTE, faster processor, a big screen and it wasn't an i phone.
What I regret the most is that there is no physical keyboard, and contrary to popular opinon this galaxy s3 locks up and freezes sometimes too, so the back button goes dark, and becomes non responsive. (Very frustrating). I dont text nearly as much as I used too. Voice to text is only useful in the car. (Picture being in a crowded room and voice texting "check out the juggs on that chick in the red shirt"), and everything on this phone is an app. Its like it does nothing for itself. Even after I set the default..it stil asks me what app I want to use to text. The only thing that makes this phone tolerable is the Swype keyboard. But I still miss my Torch 9800 and 9810 keyboard.
All that being said, Im seriously considering going back to Blackberry, after 4 months with this droid. But if the L- another touch screen, and the N- small screen are the only two phones they have...I'm staying where I am. They need a large screen phone with a keyboard and the only way to do that is with a slider.
I have a otterbox defender case on my GS3... I obviously dont care how bloody thick the phone is.
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- 01-13-2013, 12:59 PM #69
The torch design was one of RIM's BEST SELLING among CONSUMERS.. second only to the curve with sold cheap and sold for YEARS.. the reason it's numbers don't add up to the bold line is simply and ONLY because it wasn't highly distributed in the enterprise segment.
- 01-13-2013, 04:47 PM #70
While there are no doubt plenty of people who prefer the compromises of a slider over the more dedicated options of a bold or an all-touch, the overall market for qwerty models is not that great and a slider accounts for far less of that niche than bold or curve qwertys.
- 01-13-2013, 05:06 PM #71
It would be nice to see a Slider model. LOL. The 9800 should have had the 9810 specs and not just another refresh. Nothing that hasn't been posted before. I purchased both, enjoyed them.....and I was actually one that was waiting for the 9900......even when the concept was under different name(s) a few years prior to the release. The lackluster(or not) sales were for various reasons - including the OS7 devices being called "stop-gap" until the QNX/BB10 devices are to be sold. Then, having to try and continue selling them after the extended release date(s).Old ZEN Saying: "Be master of mind rather than mastered by mind." / Yes, Anger Management does work. 5th time is the charm./ My Zin: I can't help everyone....but, I can help someone./ Shh...Mrs. Peevers' biggest fan. / BB10 OS Archives
- 01-13-2013, 06:14 PM #72
Again i'm in no way saying the slider form factor accounts for 50% or even 45% of rims sales, far from i'm sure.. i'm just illustrating that it's percentage of sales on paper is substantially reduced from it's true relevance in the consumer market place, which is really the only market it was intended for.
- 01-13-2013, 06:25 PM #73
Thicker. Heavier. More expensive. Inherently less reliable, and inherently more prone to damage from drops. And from RIM's point of view a nightmare to support. They're a pain. Tear down a 9900, then tear down a 9800/9810 and you'll completely understand why.
Yeah, the geek in me thinks sliders are kind of cool, and, yes, I like the physical feel of opening and closing a well-designed one, but seriously, they introduce so many compromises they become really hard to justify. POSSIBLY in some kind of Vertu-esque special edition where it's a status symbol and a watchmaker could engineer something interesting.
And, seriously, the new soft keyboard is that good. I won't pretend it will win over ALL slider fans, but it will convert enough that it will just marginalize the market that much more.
- 01-13-2013, 08:47 PM #74
I see more 98xx's in the "wild" (of the downtown Toronto subway system) than I see 9900s.I was tapering off. I'm all tapered out now.
- 01-13-2013, 09:23 PM #75
You can't blind text, with a virtual keyboard. Sliders don't lose screen real estate. It being "bulky"...from a guy...really?? The 98xx model is as thick as an OS5/6 Curve. The 9810 has the exact same hardware as the 9900, minus NFC, plus auto focus camera/video, plus virtual kb, plus larger screen...plus the cool CLIK when you open it, plus slider lock...I can keep going.
The opinion that a slider is "old" or outdated is as baseless as a virtual steering wheel, in a car.
You don't have to like the Torch design, formerly known as the Bold 98xx. But the fact remains that you can not communicate or text faster, with less error, than you can on a physical kb. And there is no BB model device that attracts more attention than the 98xx series. Chicks dig the clik. I feel like Wolverine when I pull it out.OSBB member. Thanks BlkScorp!
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