[Houshinto]

RIM is killing RIM all by themselves. The media doesn't hate RIM any more than my next door neighbor does. When all you do is delay and release half baked products (Hello Storm!), no wonder customers leave.

As for #1, no. As for #2, no.

Dude seriously, the Storm?!?...was so long ago. Please....let it go.

This cannot be healthy for you. It's ok, really.

We're all here for you, ok? It'll all be alright.

Just let it go and move on.

[kennyliu]

While I actually agree to a point that selective attention is had,
But the attention given is different,
Nokia's gets about 10% less coverage than RIM if I look at Tech media, and financial blogs only, ( if I include TV reports then RIM coverage is greatly increased, but that has to do with it being "local" news compared to )
Of Nokia's attention a lot is tied to Microsoft attention and the doom and gloom articles aren't nearly as focused, even though they should be seeing as Nokia is running out of money, and declining faster than RIM has been.

HTC actually gets more coverage than RIM, but that is heavily tied to Android blogs and comparisons with Samsung, but even during HTC's financial troubles speculations of failure were almost non existent

RIM is the big dog fallen so the coverage it gets is more negatively twisted, and the frequency that the North American major publications bring up negatives and write in a negative fashion is greater, When bringing up stocks, RIM is constantly compared to their highest value when compared to a loss, yet Nokia and HTC are compared to their 52 week high, it's just the little things.


RIM is the media kicking post, they aren't neglecting other bad news, but they like to highlight RIM's failings, especially on NON tech TV news stations

That depends on what media outlets you browse more often I guess. I for one have seen much more of negative coverage on Nokia (with gloom and doom predictions as well in the last couple years), Sony, HTC, HP with its now infamous Touchpad, Motorola, Asus with its Prime having all sorts of hardware problems, Apple with its Antennagate scandal and iPad overheating, Microsoft with the Kin fiasco, Google and Facebook with their privacy related stuff than I did stories on RIM.

But somehow people are convinced that the media is after RIM and there is some sort of conspiracy. And most importantly the same people believe that all this negativity is unjustified.

[_StephenBB81]

That depends on what media outlets you browse more often I guess. I for one have seen much more of negative coverage on Nokia (with gloom and doom predictions as well in the last couple years), Sony, HTC, HP with its now infamous Touchpad, Motorola, Asus with its Prime having all sorts of hardware problems, Apple with its Antennagate scandal and iPad overheating, Microsoft with the Kin debacle, Google and Facebook with their privacy related stuff than I did stories on RIM.

But somehow people are convinced that the media is after RIM and there is some sort of conspiracy? And most importantly the same people believe all this negativity is unjustified.

Agreed it depends on the media outlets you frequent,

I have yet to see a Nokia going down in physical Print, nor Apples over heating "issue" but it did get propagated among the non Apple friendly sites pretty quickly,

My Media consumption is still 50% physical media, I like the feel of paper, and the satisfaction of ripping it in half especially when someone reviews a Nissan and gives it top marks!

And in Print, of the Hardware makers RIM takes the biggest beating,

[addicted44]

Agreed it depends on the media outlets you frequent,

I have yet to see a Nokia going down in physical Print, nor Apples over heating "issue" but it did get propagated among the non Apple friendly sites pretty quickly,

My Media consumption is still 50% physical media, I like the feel of paper, and the satisfaction of ripping it in half especially when someone reviews a Nissan and gives it top marks!

And in Print, of the Hardware makers RIM takes the biggest beating,

Where I am (in India), Nokia gets crushed in print. I think Nokia was never a player in the NA market, so you probably dont see as much discussion of them there.

And come on, the Apple overheating "issue" isnt an issue at all. The fact that it showed up anywhere is a testament to how outlets look to blow up the slightest bit of Apple news, more than anything else. When "antennagate" happened, you couldnt open a newspaper's Tech section for months without an article on it.

RIM gets a weird mix of articles with both positive and negative articles. I think that is because the negative articles are the ones which are looking at the global landscape (where RIM is trending downwards relative to most of the rest of the market) and the positive ones are the local ones (BB is still doing quite well in India).

[Laura Knotek]

Agreed it depends on the media outlets you frequent,

I have yet to see a Nokia going down in physical Print, nor Apples over heating "issue" but it did get propagated among the non Apple friendly sites pretty quickly,

My Media consumption is still 50% physical media, I like the feel of paper, and the satisfaction of ripping it in half especially when someone reviews a Nissan and gives it top marks!

And in Print, of the Hardware makers RIM takes the biggest beating,

I stopped subscribing to the local newspaper over 10 years ago. The carrier wasn't bringing it early enough in the morning, so I didn't have it before I went to work. Once I canceled my subscription, that pretty much put an end to my use of any print media for news.

I still visit cleveland.com, the paper's website, but I don't buy the print copy.

[southlander]

However, the news anchor made a salient point - sales of existing BlackBerry 7 smartphones have basically stalled because people are awaiting for BlackBerry 10 smartphones.

I'd love to think that is true. And I am sure it is to some unknowable degree. But after seeing time and time again Verizon store salespeople steer people away from BB phones, I think it is the carriers that have dealt RIM the worst blow. With big red leading the assault.

Sent from my BlackBerry Bold 9930 using Tapatalk

[hurds]

This is called selective attention. If you were a Nokia or HTC fan, you'd think all the media is writing about is Nokia or HTC. If you think this is not the case, try Google News and enter Nokia, HTC, Sony, etc. and you'll be amazed to find out that RIM is not the only company with problems drawing the media's attention

Do you go on all the other sites and post negatively about them? Or do you have 'selective attention'. Maybe you are immune to 'selective attention'. How did you become so enlightened that you have a better grasp of what proportion of negative news is on each company? Do you know what articles I read and from what sources?


But I got it, RIM is being treated fairly by the media and there isn't a disproportionate amount of negative news on RIM, I have selective attention and only see negative news on RIM. All of the positive things that I see in RIM and are barely reported on are irrelevant. The constant repetition of negative media on RIM is logical and I should believe whatever the media tells me like you do. Thank you for enlightening me *noding, smiling and waving*

[hurds]

Not trying to be funny, but I don't think some people can wrap their minds around that. Talked to a tech blogger the other day who swore people are out to get Google, and was sure the that Apple was working with RIM to destroy them.

RIM's problem isn't that it is getting too much attention; it's that it isn't getting enough, and particularly not from the people who really matter: consumers.

Don't worry, you weren't being funny. Guess that tech blogger speaks for all google supporters. Definitely wasn't that android phil guy, he seems to detest RIM and thinks theyre dead, probably keeps up with the news.

Whenever I read your posts and think they are way off I just read "in america" at the end and then then they seem more plausible.

[kennyliu]

there isn't a disproportionate amount of negative news on RIM, I have selective attention and only see negative news on RIM.

You nailed it.

[_StephenBB81]

I stopped subscribing to the local newspaper over 10 years ago. The carrier wasn't bringing it early enough in the morning, so I didn't have it before I went to work. Once I canceled my subscription, that pretty much put an end to my use of any print media for news.

I still visit cleveland.com, the paper's website, but I don't buy the print copy.

I usually the local daily paper at my Hotel Room door every morning, for what ever city I'm in,

and a National paper at what ever place I go for Breakfast, which is why I read hard copy, I don't subscribe to the paper at home, in fact I don't even let the free paper get delivered as I don't need a stack of them building up while I'm away.

[_StephenBB81]

Where I am (in India), Nokia gets crushed in print. I think Nokia was never a player in the NA market, so you probably dont see as much discussion of them there.

And come on, the Apple overheating "issue" isnt an issue at all. The fact that it showed up anywhere is a testament to how outlets look to blow up the slightest bit of Apple news, more than anything else. When "antennagate" happened, you couldnt open a newspaper's Tech section for months without an article on it.

RIM gets a weird mix of articles with both positive and negative articles. I think that is because the negative articles are the ones which are looking at the global landscape (where RIM is trending downwards relative to most of the rest of the market) and the positive ones are the local ones (BB is still doing quite well in India).

that very much supports my stance that news papers want negative news,
in India, RIM isn't worth writing a lot about unless they talk about the global market because they are doing well

Where Nokia isn't so they are subject to the negativity, and I put the "issue" in quotations because I share your sentiment that it was hardly an issue and it was far blown out of proportion.

[cgk]

Still you'd have to be pretty humourless not to find this funny.

[brucep1]

Whi

RIM is the big dog fallen so the coverage it gets is more negatively twisted, and the frequency that the North American major publications bring up negatives and write in a negative fashion is greater, When bringing up stocks, RIM is constantly compared to their highest value when compared to a loss, yet Nokia and HTC are compared to their 52 week high, it's just the little things.


RIM is the media kicking post, they aren't neglecting other bad news, but they like to highlight RIM's failings, especially on NON tech TV news stations

Exactly. RIM is getting more negative attention mostly because they were once the giants in the tech industry. The leaders of innovation and mobile technology hit rock bottom...That sells papers.

No one really cares if Nokia, HTC, or HP screw up. Not nearly as interesting to read. Just the way all news is these days.

A company trying to enter new markets? Boring. Another Android manufacturer releasing the Galaxy Skyrocket Hydro Plus 3 HD 4GLTE? Played out. Market leader, tech giant crumbles? Bingo.

[addicted44]

that very much supports my stance that news papers want negative news,
in India, RIM isn't worth writing a lot about unless they talk about the global market because they are doing well

Where Nokia isn't so they are subject to the negativity, and I put the "issue" in quotations because I share your sentiment that it was hardly an issue and it was far blown out of proportion.

Agreed. Newspapers love negatives more than positives ("the sky is falling" is a much better headline than "sky is blue again today").

I think while Nokia is spoken of negatively in Indian newspapers, at the end of the day, the papers are largely "meh" about them. RIM articles draw a lot more passion. I think because the Nokia brand here has pretty much just evaporated. People don't dislike it. They are just indifferent to it. People still care greatly for RIM, which is why the negative RIM articles probably draw more eyeballs.

And the Apple media is just completely magnified. Their smallest mistakes get blown up, and sometimes middling efforts (Ping!?) get treated like great advances. No one can deny the awesome job Apple has done in cultivating media and consumer interest.

[sleepngbear]

Just my opinion: above all else, RIM's biggest problem has been its own marketing. I think the latest crop of BB7 devices is very solid. But RIM has both failed to be able to push its real strengths out to consumers and allowed the media to have a field day with its perceived weaknesses. Ditto for the PlayBook, where they could not decide on who to market to or how to market it, resulting in an absolute abortion of an ad campaign. They recently have gotten on the right track ('people who do'), but for right now that's too little too late considering all the damage to their image that has already been done.

Yes, the current BBOS is somewhat limited in what it can do compared to other platforms. But it is far from the complete turd that everyone has made it out to be, and allowing that perception to pervade has been their biggest failure. It is also going to be one of the most difficult things to correct going forward. Getting devs on board now with BB10 to have a sizable library of apps at the ready when it drops is going to go a long way toward resolving that. A new and very forward-thinking ad agency won't hurt, either.

[kennyliu]

Exactly. RIM is getting more negative attention mostly because they were once the giants in the tech industry. The leaders of innovation and mobile technology hit rock bottom...That sells papers.

No one really cares if Nokia, HTC, or HP screw up. Not nearly as interesting to read. Just the way all news is these days.

A company trying to enter new markets? Boring. Another Android manufacturer releasing the Galaxy Skyrocket Hydro Plus 3 HD 4GLTE? Played out. Market leader, tech giant crumbles? Bingo.

Actually, Nokia was a bigger player and the world market leader for many years (not in NA though). And they did receive their share of negative coverage. Much more than RIM. But that was some time ago.

[ADGrant]

WHAT!! but some of the people on this forum have lead me to believe that every lawyer in the US is using an iPhone

You clearly don't spend much time around lawyers. They all still use WordPerfect. Conveniently, BB OS can display WP documents and most attorneys carry BBs. So do most Bankers and Politicians.

[bigbmc26]

how interesting is another story about how successful Apple is? not very.

Yet we see them everyday...

[cgk]

Still you'd have to be pretty humourless not to find this funny.

Writers are finding a lot of comedy gold in this current crisis.

[gryphon13]

I can't believe it, a positive message about RIM from reuters news. This video really sums up the difference in the perceptions between those that support the company and the blackberry brand (blackberry owners/fans/many individual shareholders) versus those that have a negative view (media/ institutional bankers/ brokers).

Watch the video...it really shows the distinction between the opposing camps.

It's not over for the BlackBerry: Brand strategist | Video | Reuters.com

[AlexBC]

Funny thing about the news, Cisco cius = Dead, HP touchpad = dead, nokia, moto, htc, windows, etc. all having difficult in mobile. Who gets hammered in the news most frequently? RIM. Its just so dumb to me. Not only that, I see no other companies with the amount of positives things that RIM has going for it. Problem is you have those who believe whatever they read and never question the news. I think its funny people don't think the media has an agenda or has any effect on our perceptions. It obviously does if they come here to blindly bash RIM, and then what do they refer to? the news! You just gotta smile and wave. Its easier for some people to let others do the thinking for them.

+1

Like RIM sells more than HTC, Motorola, LG, Sony Ericsson and YET it is hated 10times more, is spoken of way more negatively than any other company. It's unreal.

Honestly, it's basically an Apple, Samsung on top, then RIM at a distance... then everyone else... so why RIM is soooo bad vs. others is beyond me?!

[AlexBC]

I can't believe it, a positive message about RIM from reuters news. This video really sums up the difference in the perceptions between those that support the company and the blackberry brand (blackberry owners/fans/many individual shareholders) versus those that have a negative view (media/ institutional bankers/ brokers).

Watch the video...it really shows the distinction between the opposing camps.

It's not over for the BlackBerry: Brand strategist | Video | Reuters.com

Thanks for posting, finally unbiased, and realistic analysis. Maybe because it's UK reporting and not US?

[Bigruss8]

One thing I agree, BB 5 and 6 SUCKED. If I still had a 9700, I'd probably switch and never go back, BUT BB 7.0 (9900) with touchscreen/keyboard combo, and with much improved browser, the new processor, higher res and larger display is simply fantastic for my needs, I wouldn't want anything more (apart from camera, and maybe a larger screen)!

What do you guys think?

RIM's marketing and public relations functions within the company have been awful. Everything from non-existent marketing to completely arrogant remarks made by RIM. The one I hear daily is: "amateur hour is over...". People love watching arrogant companies eat their words. I despise the so-called wake up campaign and even that was botched since everyone thought is was samsung in the beginning.

No matter how good BB10 is, if they continue their current habits regarding marketing and corporate communications, they are done for.

[hurds]

You nailed it.

what do you call it when someone completely ignores the contents of a post and focuses in on one sentence ignoring the context? is that selective attention? confirmation bias? trolling?

[hurds]

RIM's marketing and public relations functions within the company have been awful. Everything from non-existent marketing to completely arrogant remarks made by RIM. The one I hear daily is: "amateur hour is over...". People love watching arrogant companies eat their words. I despise the so-called wake up campaign and even that was botched since everyone thought is was samsung in the beginning.

No matter how good BB10 is, if they continue their current habits regarding marketing and corporate communications, they are done for.

public functions relations within the company? How do you have such insight. I think you need to relax. Don't take things so personally. Just ignore it and continue using your non-bb device. Thats the best way to punish RIM.

I think the wake up campaign was genius and had its desired efffect.