1. Q90's Avatar
    1. When you ditch 'consumers' for 'enterprise' market, you shouldn't expect higher sales.

    2. The so called 'Enterprise Market' John Chen relies so much on won't do any good because people are not very much interested in using it.

    3. The reason why Blackberry was so popular back then as a corporate communicator was because there was no competition to it at all. And people had no other option other than getting stuck with it.

    4. The CEO chanting - 'Productivity, Privacy, Security' at every single interview won't do any good to the company.

    5. You shouldn't cry for 'App-Neutrality' when you allow android ports to your own OS, pre-install Amazon Appstore - discouraging the native developers, then why will a developer take the 'extra effort' to develop a native app for your OS.

    The hard times will last as long as the CEO doesn't change his attitude towards the consumer market, or the company liquidates out.
    The CEO seems confused about the market at which he should be aiming at.

    Blackberry is a company which has its almost dead roots in enterprise market, but will need average consumer's favor to get back on its feet.

    While every other company is focusing on making their devices run as one, and making services as consumer centric as possible, Blackberry just wants to aim at Enterprise releasing overpriced phones.
    05-29-15 12:05 AM
  2. bigbadben10's Avatar
    Without John Chen running BlackBerry this company would have been dead long ago. Keep up the great work JC!

    Posted by my fabulous red Passport
    web99, skstrials, bungaboy and 8 others like this.
    05-29-15 12:52 AM
  3. Aju's Avatar
    1. When you ditch 'consumers' for 'enterprise' market, you shouldn't expect higher sales.

    2. The so called 'Enterprise Market' John Chen relies so much on won't do any good because people are not very much interested in using it.

    3. The reason why Blackberry was so popular back then as a corporate communicator was because there was no competition to it at all. And people had no other option other than getting stuck with it.

    4. The CEO chanting - 'Productivity, Privacy, Security' at every single interview won't do any good to the company.

    5. You shouldn't cry for 'App-Neutrality' when you allow android ports to your own OS, pre-install Amazon Appstore - discouraging the native developers, then why will a developer take the 'extra effort' to develop a native app for your OS.

    The hard times will last as long as the CEO doesn't change his attitude towards the consumer market, or the company liquidates out.
    The CEO seems confused about the market at which he should be aiming at.

    Blackberry is a company which has its almost dead roots in enterprise market, but will need average consumer's favor to get back on its feet.

    While every other company is focusing on making their devices run as one, and making services as consumer centric as possible, Blackberry just wants to aim at Enterprise releasing overpriced phones.
    All thoughts of yours other than about APPS, I would disagree...what you said about apps can be a little right...but dont know what chen has in his sleeve for the coming times..
    He is having some big plans about apps it seems...

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    05-29-15 03:48 AM
  4. serbanescu's Avatar
    2. The so called 'Enterprise Market' John Chen relies so much on won't do any good because people are not very much interested in using it.
    Wow, that was deep
    05-29-15 04:05 AM
  5. donnation's Avatar
    Without John Chen running BlackBerry this company would have been dead long ago. Keep up the great work JC!

    Posted by my fabulous red Passport
    Great work is a stretch.
    05-29-15 06:05 AM
  6. lnichols's Avatar
    He wants out of devices. He wants the competition's devices running on BES12 and buying additional software for those devices like BlackBerry experience. He can't say he wants out of hardware until he has buy in from existing BES customers on using other devices with BES. Anyone here who wants BlackBerry to keep making phones and is cheering for Chen will be very disappointed at some point in the not to distant future.

    Posted via Z30
    05-29-15 06:24 AM
  7. attaturk's Avatar
    He does NOT want out of devices. He has stated that in every interview. What he says makes sense. He only wants to stay in the device business if BlackBerry as a company is making money from making devices which sadly at this point it is not. That is the reality.

    If he can get the software and services revenue up and they are making lots of money from there, then yes, devices can continue to lose money. But where it stands right now, 41% of the revenue from last quarter was from hardware, that in my opinion is too high.

    The biggest challenge as admitted by JC himself is the name BlackBerry has taken a beating everyone thinks they are finished. That perception has to change which unfortunately will take lots of time.

    Posted via CB10
    05-29-15 06:32 AM
  8. simu31's Avatar
    2. The so called 'Enterprise Market' John Chen relies so much on won't do any good because people are not very much interested in using it.
    What? The average consumer may not be interested in the 'Enterprise Market', but that's kind of the point. It's not for them. If Chen thinks (and he's been right so far, according to the quarterly reports) that BlackBerry can gain traction in that market, then let him go for it. It's better than seeing the company die.
    And why "so called"? It's an actual thing. Just because you don't know or understand it, that doesn't take away from the fact it exists.

    3. The reason why Blackberry was so popular back then as a corporate communicator was because there was no competition to it at all. And people had no other option other than getting stuck with it.
    So, you're saying that having one choice is worse than having none. Seems reasonable
    Lots and lots of people loved their BlackBerry devices. It gave then a way to do their job better. It's because they weren't able to have loads of "popular" apps (and Apple's marketing department) that things went down hill so rapidly.

    4. The CEO chanting - 'Productivity, Privacy, Security' at every single interview won't do any good to the company.
    Tell me when you get that CEO job of a multi-bllion dollar, multi-national company. Tell me when you've already turned around failing companies in the past. Then I might consider thinking your knowledge of what to chant is of more importance than Chen's.

    The hard times will last as long as the CEO doesn't change his attitude towards the consumer market, or the company liquidates out.
    The CEO seems confused about the market at which he should be aiming at.
    I think you're confused about the market he's aiming at. It's one to bring BlackBerry back from the brink of extinction. It's one to get the money flowing back in the right direction. It's one which will continue to allow you to pass judgment on BlackBerry and it's CEO because they will still exist.

    Simon.
    05-29-15 07:04 AM
  9. lnichols's Avatar
    He does NOT want out of devices. He has stated that in every interview. What he says makes sense. He only wants to stay in the device business if BlackBerry as a company is making money from making devices which sadly at this point it is not. That is the reality.

    If he can get the software and services revenue up and they are making lots of money from there, then yes, devices can continue to lose money. But where it stands right now, 41% of the revenue from last quarter was from hardware, that in my opinion is too high.

    The biggest challenge as admitted by JC himself is the name BlackBerry has taken a beating everyone thinks they are finished. That perception has to change which unfortunately will take lots of time.

    Posted via CB10
    He says he wants to stay in devices, but the actions is what counts. If he said he was getting out of hardware he would lose at a huge chunk of his BES10/12 base, and everyone evaluating it would bail too and go to the competition. He clearly is releasing bottom barrel devices with minimal effort put into design and R&D that require no changes in software at all. Only reason Passport wasn't killed is it he R&D was already done and he decided not to kill it off. But the Classic and Leap are just putting stuff out to make it look like you are in hardware, but without any effort. Sales will reflect the level of effort BlackBerry is putting in.

    Posted via Z30
    05-29-15 07:04 AM
  10. whatsever's Avatar
    BlackBerry is here to stay focus on software and hardware support for extra security and best part build like they wanted or just how the user wanted like AT&T or a Health company and that is only there own business. The other business (platforms,hardware like carplay) is also supported and give them more space instead of focussing on only one thing and that will bring extra income.

    The bad part is that BlackBerry is dead for two years according the Media . Also NSA had a goal to destroy/bring back BlackBerry market with all means (they also forcing companies in the US to give up there protection ). Also One competitor pays the media and some business to publice negative news and also pays for negative news and positvie news in forums (some forums in the Netherlands delete your comments if you talk negative about Apple in compare with BlackBerry in a BlackBerry Forum ).

    As soon people see that this news all the time is horse**** and that the iphone is overpriced old hardware with a nice skin then Apple has a problem because who said that 100 GB is worth almost 200 dollar ( dumb and Android users don't buy the S6 because there is only 32 GB and no LTEplus , seems they are smarter to buy the S5 or other brand)

    Goods news is that Companies in Asian, Africa and South America are smarter to protect there business and devolpment with BlackBerry more the US or European Countries except for goverment and some business in mostly Germanny, UK and South Europe.

    So is there room for BlackBerry YES but one competitor is very bizzy to defame the brand BlackBerry since the launch of BBOS 10 and before (or still) the NSA to defame RIM (ex laywer NSA and Snowden) and fun part is that goverment , navy seals ,army US starting to pick up BlackBerry for special departments instead of android/ios. So Yes BlackBerry will be here to stay at least in a ninch market and maybe a bigger consumer market as soon people see the benefits of a good OS and good quility reception, standbye and sound qualitiy.

    To get more branded.
    BlackBerry Tablet (people like to us the same brand to connect)
    Blackberry emailbox and cloud storage (branding and binding) *
    Blackberry needs own music streaming services (Deezer or Spotify with Blackberry skin and powered by...)**
    Blackberry should promote it runs android runtime showing Netflix on the Leap (show that you have the apps)
    BlackBerry package wtih desktopholder (with hdmi/vga connector ,keyboard and mouse)

    * subscribe for storage and email for free
    ** subscribe or free version with commercials

    Why Blackberry has a lesser chance at staying in the market [OPINION]-bbspotify.jpg
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    05-29-15 07:16 AM
  11. Sridhara Shankara's Avatar
    Bang on!! What BBRY needs is also consumer(prosumer or whatever) focus to stay relevant in the business. Without visibility and proper branding even enterprise segment will not touch BBRY with a barge pole.What BBRY needs is a 'maverick' as a leader who can take it to that next level.Technologically they have better OS,better browser and a secure platform than any other devices out there
    05-29-15 07:34 AM
  12. MikeX74's Avatar
    Great work is a stretch.
    A Mr. Fantastic-level stretch.
    05-29-15 07:35 AM
  13. lnichols's Avatar
    BlackBerry is here to stay focus on software and hardware support for extra security and best part build like they wanted or just how the user wanted like AT&T or a Health company and that is only there own business. The other business (platforms,hardware like carplay) is also supported and give them more space instead of focussing on only one thing and that will bring extra income.

    The bad part is that BlackBerry is dead for two years according the Media . Also NSA had a goal to destroy/bring back BlackBerry market with all means (they also forcing companies in the US to give up there protection ). Also One competitor pays the media and some business to publice negative news and also pays for negative news and positvie news in forums (some forums in the Netherlands delete your comments if you talk negative about Apple in compare with BlackBerry in a BlackBerry Forum ).

    As soon people see that this news all the time is horse**** and that the iphone is overpriced old hardware with a nice skin then Apple has a problem because who said that 100 GB is worth almost 200 dollar ( dumb and Android users don't buy the S6 because there is only 32 GB and no LTEplus , seems they are smarter to buy the S5 or other brand)

    Goods news is that Companies in Asian, Africa and South America are smarter to protect there business and devolpment with BlackBerry more the US or European Countries except for goverment and some business in mostly Germanny, UK and South Europe.

    So is there room for BlackBerry YES but one competitor is very bizzy to defame the brand BlackBerry since the launch of BBOS 10 and before (or still) the NSA to defame RIM (ex laywer NSA and Snowden) and fun part is that goverment , navy seals ,army US starting to pick up BlackBerry for special departments instead of android/ios. So Yes BlackBerry will be here to stay at least in a ninch market and maybe a bigger consumer market as soon people see the benefits of a good OS and good quility reception, standbye and sound qualitiy.



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    05-29-15 07:37 AM
  14. jojo beaconsfield's Avatar
    Google unveils Android Pay, Android M, IoT OS, unlimited photo/video storage - Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG) | Seeking Alpha
    this is what BB faces and this is getting really annoying watching as companies go after BB's QNX,what's BB doing?Notice near the end of the link,Google says they equip 35 car companies now with their auto software.Android Auto
    just did a little search and came upon this
    http://www.cnet.com/news/chevy-rolli...-in-14-models/
    does this mean QNX is out and Android auto is in for certain Chevy models?
    05-29-15 07:58 AM
  15. whatsever's Avatar
    [QUOTE=jojo beaconsfield;11673801]Google unveils Android Pay, Android M, IoT OS, unlimited photo/video storage - Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG) | Seeking Alpha
    this is what BB faces and this is getting really annoying watching as companies go after BB's QNX,what's BB doing?Notice near the end of the link,Google says they equip 35 car companies now with their auto software.Android Auto
    just did a little search and came upon this
    Chevy bets big with Android Auto and Apple CarPlay in 2016 line-up - CNET
    does this mean QNX is out and Android auto is in for certain Chevy models?[/QUOTE

    Some Car factories choose for android/apple but moslty both run under QNX and the buyer can choose but there are also car factories that are smarter and choose for QNX like Ford that support Android, BlackBerry , ios and Windows and is more flexible for more platforms in the future and has also a smartfunction knowing which phone and driver is connected .

    With only carplay ,someone with an android or BlackBerry phone is not happy to use that car in the family or company.

    So in that way Ford and other brands using QNX are smarter and more consumer friendly and also saver for other drivers. I think that is a BIG PLUS


    And YES NSA is a world order in there own mario planet world
    05-29-15 08:17 AM
  16. atlasmike's Avatar
    Do people not listen to what Chen says? He doesn't want to get out of the device business nor does he not want to focus on the consumer side of the devices. He has a list of priorities and the device to consumer is last on his list. He knows that the consumer is important. How about everyone go to YouTube and just search John Chen. There's about 4 hours of video there of Chen explaining till he's red in the face about where and how BlackBerry is going. From health care to consumers he says it all. The passport was the first step in the direction for the consumer. And I think it was a good first step considering the reactions I get about my passport.

    Posted via CB10
    05-29-15 08:22 AM
  17. atlasmike's Avatar
    And Chen said that they are making money on devices now. Please people. Keep up with it if you are going to bash Chen. BlackBerry isn't going anywhere. The awesome hand sets are not going anywhere either. You can't right a ship of this size in just 18 months. BlackBerry is no longer bleeding cash. Looking forward at where Chen wants to take BlackBerry is very promising. You have to listen to every interview this guy's gives.

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    05-29-15 08:33 AM
  18. asherN's Avatar
    He wants out of devices. He wants the competition's devices running on BES12 and buying additional software for those devices like BlackBerry experience. He can't say he wants out of hardware until he has buy in from existing BES customers on using other devices with BES. Anyone here who wants BlackBerry to keep making phones and is cheering for Chen will be very disappointed at some point in the not to distant future.

    Posted via Z30
    I'm afraid they may have missed the boat, again. The move away from BB/BES started years ago. A lot of companies, having moved to iOS and Android, already replaced BES with an other MDM. BES12 may be a great product, but it does suffer with it's association with BB, and a perception that it's a MDM for BB that also does other devices. For companies not running BB handsets, it's a tough sell. And if you're a large corporation using VMWare and looking at a VDI deployment, their offering includes AirWatch, making it a compelling choice.
    05-29-15 08:40 AM
  19. asherN's Avatar
    But the Enterprise IS the consumer. People don't want to carry 2 devices. We are past the point where you had to justify using something other than BB. The onus is now on the CIO to make the case FOR BB. And when looking at it rationally, the businesses actually needing what BB/BES brings is shrinking.
    05-29-15 08:44 AM
  20. Soulstream's Avatar
    Do people not listen to what Chen says? He doesn't want to get out of the device business nor does he not want to focus on the consumer side of the devices. He has a list of priorities and the device to consumer is last on his list. He knows that the consumer is important. How about everyone go to YouTube and just search John Chen. There's about 4 hours of video there of Chen explaining till he's red in the face about where and how BlackBerry is going. From health care to consumers he says it all. The passport was the first step in the direction for the consumer. And I think it was a good first step considering the reactions I get about my passport.

    Posted via CB10
    Ok, but the problem I see is that he doesnt' speak at all about BB10 from the interviews I saw/read (of course I haven't seen all of them). I am afraid that there will be future BB devices, just not running BB10.
    05-29-15 09:35 AM
  21. cbvinh's Avatar
    He says he wants to stay in devices, but the actions is what counts. If he said he was getting out of hardware he would lose at a huge chunk of his BES10/12 base, and everyone evaluating it would bail too and go to the competition. He clearly is releasing bottom barrel devices with minimal effort put into design and R&D that require no changes in software at all. Only reason Passport wasn't killed is it he R&D was already done and he decided not to kill it off. But the Classic and Leap are just putting stuff out to make it look like you are in hardware, but without any effort. Sales will reflect the level of effort BlackBerry is putting in.
    What would they need to do? Produce high-end hardware that sells in even fewer number of units? Would current customers be willing to shell out top-of-the-line prices for top-of-the-line hardware, given they could buy comparable Android/iOS devices with better ecosystems? ( A small percentage would, but that's not going to help.) Windows Phone is in the same low market share situation and their sales didn't increase until they started producing cheap devices. More devices sold "could" equal more developer interest. Fewer high-end devices sold would gain what?
    05-29-15 12:32 PM
  22. Bbnivende's Avatar
    Ok, but the problem I see is that he doesnt' speak at all about BB10 from the interviews I saw/read (of course I haven't seen all of them). I am afraid that there will be future BB devices, just not running BB10.
    Indirectly he has. He says that he can sell BlackBerry phones to those entities that need more security than just using iOS or Android with BES.



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    05-29-15 12:51 PM
  23. Bbnivende's Avatar
    What would they need to do? Produce high-end hardware that sells in even fewer number of units? Would current customers be willing to shell out top-of-the-line prices for top-of-the-line hardware, given they could buy comparable Android/iOS devices with better ecosystems? ( A small percentage would, but that's not going to help.) Windows Phone is in the same low market share situation and their sales didn't increase until they started producing cheap devices. More devices sold "could" equal more developer interest. Fewer high-end devices sold would gain what?
    Because his intended Enterprise customer can afford higher margin devices. Chen is not interested in zero margin devices for emerging countries to grow the base. His mistake is assuming that Enterprise do not want a high end all touch too.

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    05-29-15 12:55 PM
  24. cbvinh's Avatar
    Because his intended Enterprise customer can afford higher margin devices. Chen is not interested in zero margin devices for emerging countries to grow the base. His mistake is assuming that Enterprise do not want a high end all touch too.
    What exactly would a high-end, all touch Enterprise device do for these customers? High-end camera isn't going to matter. Some places don't even allow cameras, especially if they're a highly secure environment. High-end processor for what? Games? Run Android apps? Then why not just get Android devices ?

    The value in BlackBerry devices, I imagine, for the Enterprise is secure communications and that doesn't require high-end hardware, like in the consumer market. Enterprise might deploy these low-end BlackBerry's /in addition to/ another device for their employees.

    The mistake users make is in thinking that a high-end, all touch device is going to solve all problems. It didn't for HTC, LG, Sony, etc. and they have an ecosystem, advertising and retail support.
    05-29-15 01:21 PM
  25. Soulstream's Avatar
    What exactly would a high-end, all touch Enterprise device do for these customers? High-end camera isn't going to matter. Some places don't even allow cameras, especially if they're a highly secure environment. High-end processor for what? Games? Run Android apps? Then why not just get Android devices ?

    The value in BlackBerry devices, I imagine, for the Enterprise is secure communications and that doesn't require high-end hardware, like in the consumer market. Enterprise might deploy these low-end BlackBerry's /in addition to/ another device for their employees.

    The mistake users make is in thinking that a high-end, all touch device is going to solve all problems. It didn't for HTC, LG, Sony, etc. and they have an ecosystem, advertising and retail support.
    HTC is borderline profitable in mobile and Sony is losing money, but LG is actually doing fine in mobile:

    LG sells 59.1 million smartphones in 2014, net profit doubles | Android Central

    Also the iPhone is pretty popular in enterprises, and that is also a high-end phone with a big price-tag. So enterprises will buy high-end phones if they bring a lot of added value.
    05-29-15 01:56 PM
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