Why BB10 will not save Blackberry
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Can you point me to any literature? I can't find any. They should really be selling this point.11-24-12 03:45 PMLike 0 - You should really check facts before pontificating and spreading misinformation. RIM has published lots of information on how BIS works with POP email. It polls every 15 minutes. Read this please. You may learn something interesting.
http://docs.blackberry.com/en/smartp...001-4.2-US.pdfBold_until_Hybrid_Comes and spike12 like this.11-24-12 03:47 PMLike 2 - Sorry, but if Activesync support over BIS is the major thing that RIM gets wrong with BB10 .. then I'm going to jump for joy come Jan '13 because the fact of the matter is that most of the average users out there don't care about this. They care more about the ecosystem than anything else and that's what RIM needs to focus on. Sorry but I don't share your concern that if BIS doesn't support Activesync it's lights out for RIM.. they've got bigger tasks to address. I think the ramification for RIM based on your original thread title is way too severe for this lack of feature that you have an issue with.kacantrell likes this.11-24-12 03:56 PMLike 1
- If anyone thinks email limitations will kill BB10 they are delusional. Anyway E92Vancouver, it appears you already have a bias against a platform which isn't even out yet to critique. Lets see how BB10 is, where it is weak, where it is good. If current BB's were so terrible at emails would they still be used in the corporate world at all? Also you stated phones with keyboards are useless, they are a big enough niche and I would luv a BB10 device with a full QWERTY keyboard...kacantrell likes this.11-24-12 03:56 PMLike 1
- If anyone thinks email limitations will kill BB10 they are delusional. Anyway E92Vancouver, it appears you already have a bias against a platform which isn't even out yet to critique. Lets see how BB10 is, where it is weak, where it is good. If current BB's were so terrible at emails would they still be used in the corporate world at all? Also you stated phones with keyboards are useless, they are a big enough niche and I would luv a BB10 device with a full QWERTY keyboard...
Regarding your corporate world comment, every few weeks there is an announcement like this:
US NTSB Dumps RIM’s Blackberry For Apple : The Droid Guy11-24-12 04:03 PMLike 0 - Sorry, but if Activesync support over BIS is the major thing that RIM gets wrong with BB10 .. then I'm going to jump for joy come Jan '13 because the fact of the matter is that most of the average users out there don't care about this. They care more about the ecosystem than anything else and that's what RIM needs to focus on. Sorry but I don't share your concern that if BIS doesn't support Activesync it's lights out for RIM.. they've got bigger tasks to address. I think the ramification for RIM based on your original thread title is way too severe for this lack of feature that you have an issue with.11-24-12 04:04 PMLike 0
- E92Vancouver you are correct that more and more companies have ditched BB's in favor of other platforms in the corporate world, but good QWERTY keyboards, notifications, and emails (yes, emails!) have made many companies still reluctant to give up on BB's. A modern OS such as BB10 can have RIM reclaim its minor losses in the corporate world and regain its much larger losses in the consumer world, and in addition, create new fans of BB like never before, which is still very possible for all the major platforms since the smartphone industry is a still rapidly growing industry...11-24-12 04:07 PMLike 0
- Which is exactly what he said earlier. The disagreement was about the speed at which the POP email is received.11-24-12 04:08 PMLike 0
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- kbz1960Doesn't MatterFair enough.
Regarding your corporate world comment, every few weeks there is an announcement like this:
US NTSB Dumps RIM’s Blackberry For Apple : The Droid Guy11-24-12 04:10 PMLike 0 - I could care less about all this. I just want to know if my gmail/Hotmail can be used through official apps rather than the native email. I hate native email. I hate it on all my devices and I hate it on PC's because for years I've yet to see one native email program/client not F-up connecting to my Gmail or Hotmail account at some point. Give me an official app for my mobile devices and the website for PC's thank you very much. Furthermore, if I do use an app rather than the native email, I should be able to see incoming emails in the BB10 'hub' just as I would if using the phone's native email. If not, those are deal breakers for me.
Another deal breaker is data plans. I'm grandfathered on a wicked smartphone plan. If BB10 requires me to switch to a "Blackberry data plan" like our carriers in Canada currently use for BB phones rather than the standard voice/text/data plans they use for Android/iPhone then I will moist definitely not buy a Blackberry device because no new BB data plan can hope to match what I'm currently on.11-24-12 04:11 PMLike 0 - Fair enough.
Regarding your corporate world comment, every few weeks there is an announcement like this:
US NTSB Dumps RIM’s Blackberry For Apple : The Droid Guy11-24-12 04:12 PMLike 0 - I could care less about all this. I just want to know if my gmail/Hotmail can be used through official apps rather than the native email. I hate native email. I hate it on all my devices and I hate it on PC's because for years I've yet to see one native email program/client not F-up connecting to my Gmail or Hotmail account at some point. Give me an official app for my mobile devices and the website for PC's thank you very much. Furthermore, if I do use an app rather than the native email, I should be able to see incoming emails in the BB10 'hub' just as I would if using the phone's native email. If not, those are deal breakers for me.
Another deal breaker is data plans. I'm grandfathered on a wicked smartphone plan. If BB10 requires me to switch to a "Blackberry data plan" like our carriers in Canada currently use for BB phones rather than the standard voice/text/data plans they use for Android/iPhone then I will moist definitely not buy a Blackberry device because no new BB data plan can hope to match what I'm currently on.11-24-12 04:15 PMLike 0 -
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- kbz1960Doesn't MatterI could care less about all this. I just want to know if my gmail/Hotmail can be used through official apps rather than the native email. I hate native email. I hate it on all my devices and I hate it on PC's because for years I've yet to see one native email program/client not F-up connecting to my Gmail or Hotmail account at some point. Give me an official app for my mobile devices and the website for PC's thank you very much. Furthermore, if I do use an app rather than the native email, I should be able to see incoming emails in the BB10 'hub' just as I would if using the phone's native email. If not, those are deal breakers for me.
Another deal breaker is data plans. I'm grandfathered on a wicked smartphone plan. If BB10 requires me to switch to a "Blackberry data plan" like our carriers in Canada currently use for BB phones rather than the standard voice/text/data plans they use for Android/iPhone then I will moist definitely not buy a Blackberry device because no new BB data plan can hope to match what I'm currently on.11-24-12 04:24 PMLike 0 - I would be a very happy dinosaur with a QWERTY keyboard like the one on the Bold 9900 but on a BB10 device.kacantrell likes this.11-24-12 04:25 PMLike 1
- E92Vancouver you are correct that more and more companies have ditched BB's in favor of other platforms in the corporate world, but good QWERTY keyboards, notifications, and emails (yes, emails!) have made many companies still reluctant to give up on BB's. A modern OS such as BB10 can have RIM reclaim its minor losses in the corporate world and regain its much larger losses in the consumer world, and in addition, create new fans of BB like never before, which is still very possible for all the major platforms since the smartphone industry is a still rapidly growing industry...11-24-12 04:30 PMLike 0
- Apps are a little over rated. I have over 150 apps on my iOS and Android and it is a bit of a pain in the a$$. Everyday my phone is crippled while 50 or 60 apps get updated.11-24-12 04:33 PMLike 0
- Although I believe E92Van came here to troll, I will say that proper activesync support over BIS is important for me. I have asked the question repeatedly and no one can answer it. All RIM cares about and talks about is the corporate experience. As I am no longer with a corporation on BES I find my email experience to SUCK, I am currently due for an upgrade and have heard nothing that makes me think I should hold off for BB10. I am seriously thinking of going WP8 in about 2 weeks.11-24-12 04:44 PMLike 0
- Yes but unfortunately if you talk to any Android or Apple user out there .. that the issue that always gets thrown back in RIM's face is. . Not enough and not the key apps (Skype, Netflixs, etc.) are present on the BB phones and tablets. I'm not too worried about communication on BB10 because I think for the most part they got it right with their unified inbox, I'm not worried about the browser cause that seems like it'll be spot on, gaming will be great as we've already seen, the virtual keyboard seems like it'll be exceptional as well as the cameras, it'll have the BB features that BB users have come to know and love and the hardware with the OS will make the device fast and efficient. It seems that most features of a smartphone will excel as compare to the other smartphones on the market.. but its the apps or possible lack of apps that people will use to derail the device... and for me that's a valid concern for RIM.11-24-12 04:51 PMLike 3
- Although I believe E92Van came here to troll, I will say that proper activesync support over BIS is important for me. I have asked the question repeatedly and no one can answer it. All RIM cares about and talks about is the corporate experience. As I am no longer with a corporation on BES I find my email experience to SUCK, I am currently due for an upgrade and have heard nothing that makes me think I should hold off for BB10. I am seriously thinking of going WP8 in about 2 weeks.
I just want to know if BB10 will support ActiveSync before I buy next phone which could be before January 30th if I have no reason to wait.11-24-12 05:12 PMLike 0 -
So...the answer for me is yes and has been for YEARS now. Maybe I'm missing something here?11-24-12 05:13 PMLike 0 - Yes but unfortunately if you talk to any Android or Apple user out there .. that the issue that always gets thrown back in RIM's face is. . Not enough and not the key apps (Skype, Netflixs, etc.) are present on the BB phones and tablets. I'm not too worried about communication on BB10 because I think for the most part they got it right with their unified inbox, I'm not worried about the browser cause that seems like it'll be spot on, gaming will be great as we've already seen, the virtual keyboard seems like it'll be exceptional as well as the cameras, it'll have the BB features that BB users have come to know and love and the hardware with the OS will make the device fast and efficient. It seems that most features of a smartphone will excel as compare to the other smartphones on the market.. but its the apps or possible lack of apps that people will use to derail the device... and for me that's a valid concern for RIM.11-24-12 05:14 PMLike 0
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