Re: Why BB10 Will likely fail, and what RIM can do.
I disagree. This may well not be a site for objective, open dialogue as you say....that is up to administration. I actually think it should be, and I think that is being encouraged, BUT even if it is not, that does not mean that every decision, or every direction by RIM must be unequivocally applauded and met with assertions that it must be "right". If people are allowed to question RIM's decisions, then what the OP asserted was trolling was not. If it was not the content, but only the strength of the assertion, then we also have a problem.....just as I outlined in my previous post.
Originally Posted by Masahiro
The following is not a direct reply to you masahiro:
I am now going to speak with absolute bluntness:
This is part of the essential nature of CB. First, the idea that some people are "negative"....well that's subjective of course....many would prefer "realistic" or "thoughtful", and certainly it could be argued that it really ISN'T positive in the long-run to blindly be "positive". But let me for the purpose of this paragraph only, refer to them as those who say "negative' things, vs those who say only "positive" things. There are some people who will say negative things about RIM. For the most part, these people DO DANCE around the issue somewhat, trying to be sensitive to the RIM fanatics, and thus couch carefully their phrases in niceties and delimiters, whether they feel strongly about it or not. Moreover, though these are only generalizations, I would go so far as to say that these people also tend to provide reasoning and explanations for their assertions. These people include posters like CrackedBerry, Mike007, Qnkbelt, Texaspete, Esk, pantless penguin, ntoafanboy, reneebob, xandermac, Martymacfly, lak611, trelawrence, roozilla, howarmart,......Ok I have to stop somewhere......and many, many others (I hesitate to say any names, because I'm leaving out many valuable and prominent posters....that list is in NO order, and simply represents the first names out of my head at this moment). From what I've seen, these people vary greatly in their opinions, in the strength of their "RIM loyalty", in their view of RIM alternates. Some like MS, some like Android, some like IOS. Some use a BB right now, some don't. Some think RIM has a big future, some don't. Some are undoubtedly seen as more centrist, and some as more extreme.
Unfortunately, there remains their opposite: people who will say the opposite, without niceties - often blunt rudeness, or even insult. Even worse, they tend to resort to default attack replies with no explanation, and often, in any thread, on any topic, they find "negative". It adds nothing of value to the discussion, but only serves as hysterical finger-pointing at those who are seen as blasphemers. These type of posts often convey only the sentiments: "RIM will crush everyone. All others will fall. You suck for saying anything "negative". What a waste this thread is. Why is it here? I laugh at you, and you disgust me. RIM has 80 QUADRILLION customers....do you even understand what that means...stop spreading lies" These individuals, who do seem more unified under these simple sentiments, are passionate, and feel strongly that this place should only allow postitive-RIM opinions and discussions. In that sense, the negativists are seen as even more offensive..."how dare they spoil this place, which is supposed to be only for us". Perhaps they are right, only Kevin could decide that ultimately. (again, I'll note that "pro-RIM" and "positive only-RIM" are in my opinion to very different things....I will serve as my own example: I think RIM's future looks disturbingly endangered, at the same time, anyone who has read any post I've made about MS, knows I would give anything to see RIM be #3 over MS!).
They spend a lot of time "speculating" out loud about why the previous group posts it's "negative" points. They often believe it is only out of a desire to hurt them - a natural reaction when you love something so passionately. It may even well be. We will never know, none of us, the secret and deepest motivations of other posters. Some may well be here because they are enjoying the misfortunes of RIM, and it's most fanatical followers. I must confess, before coming to this board, I never felt any desire for RIM to fail, and while I still do not on the whole, I myself have felt, and have had to consciously fight against the occasional reaction of : I hope BB10 flops so that this smug, insulting, blowhard _______, cries himself to sleep next year! ;-) I actually have to consciously remind myself that I don't REALLY care, compared to the real issues in life, what happens to any phone company!
On the other hand, it's possible that some of the most positive extremists, only say unreasonably positive things in the hopes of getting attention from those who point out how unrealistic their position is. (I will ignore the tangent that numerous mistruths said about other platforms eg. jobs said he eats children! You can't even make listen to music while checking email on ios! (yes...this was actually said in one week where about 5 blatantly erroneous things were declared about ios) I know the positivists often use a default cry of "mistruths" about RIM, but I find these rare....most of the people here are pretty well informed about RIM, and when the media is frequently accused of "mistruths", I often find they aren't factual errors, but only "negativist" opinions)
Since nobody can ever know the exact motivation behind another....I always feel it's best to try to stick to the content of the posts themselves as directly as possible...point for point preferably. Generally, the "negativists" are much better at this....by an enormous margin. Now, this may well be because they are required to explain any vaguely "negative' position, whereas a positivist feels free to simply fling accusations. It is much more palatable here to have an entire post saying only something like : "If you hate RIM so much, why don't you just leave? RIM will be #1 and I can't wait to laugh at you and all the media when that happens!" ....one does not expect to stay long if one says "if you love RIM so much, why don't you just leave? RIM will be bankrupt, and I can't wait to laugh at you and all the media when that happens!" It seems likely that those prone only to the latter posts, have probably long since been driven off the board.
I strongly feel this is the truth behind 80% of the real conflict, and extraneous noise, here. The end.