- 12-02-12, 09:12 AM #76
My 9900 doesn't have a front facing camera and it's better for me because I would never use it and it would be just extra hardware and software at extra cost that I don't really need. From a platform point of view that's a weakness.
I put my wants and needs in a smartphone first and the platform needs second and it might make me sound like an apologist. But I'm not alone, there's many like me.
It's ok to want more but it's also ok to be happy with what you have.
- 12-02-12, 09:19 AM #77
The ones advocating the absence of the apps are the ones who are denying folks who want the app the ability to use them, but when I say I want the app and if someone doesn't use it then they don't have to I'm somehow denying them the right not to use it????? WHAT?!?!?!?
If it's on the phone, and you don't want to use it, don't use it. If it's one the phone and I want to use it, I use it.
Example....my BB has some game called PAC-MAN BB. Haven't used it once.
I routinely delete Tasks.
I routinely delete Help.
Should I go on a crusade because those apps that *I don't find useful* are not needed on everyone's else's device???? No....let people use them.
Didn't the phone come with Slacker or Pandora??? Both gone from my devices....
CHOICE is the decision to use something that is there or the decision to remove it. THE ABSENCE OF IT DOES NOT GIVE THAT CHOICE.
Seriously....are people actually ADVOCATING the ABSENCE of choice????
- 12-02-12, 09:32 AM #78
I'm still a huge Rim fan, but Android is my main device and although I rarely use instagram there is no denying BlackBerry is missing
out big time. This is the newest Social app and whether we want to believe it or not its hurting sales one way or another.
Let's be real people hate feeling left out.
- 12-02-12, 09:38 AM #79
If one doesn't want more then a more basic smartphone by today's standards, shouldn't he have that coice?
You can have a choice in a more specialised product(I drive a Smart Car for example with no choice but to carry only one passager) or you can have a choice in a full speck SUV or whatever.
Yes I want BB10 to have it all, but I don't need all and I want a BB product that fits closer to my needs, not the majority's needs.
It's all choice.
- 12-02-12, 09:46 AM #80
Here's the LG MyTouch, suggested retail $349.99. It has a FFC. Unsupported Browser
Here's the BlackBerry 9900, suggested retail $549.99. As you know, it does not have a FFC. Unsupported Browser
When something is available to me that I don't need, I simply don't use it. I don't begrudge it to anyone who may not have the same needs that I do.
- 12-02-12, 09:57 AM #81
It's ok to have the choice to have more but it's also ok to have the choice to have less no? If what you say was true Smart Cars would simply not exist. It's the same with smart phones. Should I buy a normal car because it has 4 passagers seats even though I would never use them just because other people might?
- 12-02-12, 09:57 AM #82
Back to the point though, this is just about Instagram. It will be an app in app world. No one is going to force you to join. It's not like the minute it becomes available the Instagram powers that be are going to seek you out and force you to sign up and share all your pics on their program. Just don't install it, and it'll be like it's not even there for you, while millions of other BB10 users can enjoy the program they found on ios or android while still enjoying the whole BB10 experience.
- 12-02-12, 10:02 AM #83
- 12-02-12, 10:26 AM #85
I have a very small group in FB simply because I don't give out aspects of my life to people I don't know*in the flesh.* However, I have a choice of who is on my Instagram list, who don't have access to my FB, but who have similar interests to me. So I share pics with them based on those interests.
All about choice. As the Penguin mentioned, it will be in app world.....if you don't want it, don't use it. Can't be simpler.
- 12-02-12, 10:53 AM #87
- 12-02-12, 11:20 AM #89
Very bizarre that this thread has gone on for four pages. Of course RIM needs 'instagram'. It's a big app and lots of people use it. I don't get the big deal, but every day someone on my facebook or twitter is posting an instagram photo and also sharing things with other instagram users.
- 12-02-12, 11:40 AM #90
Re: Who needs instagram?
There were at one time these regular weekly threads on the Playbook subforum where users shared pictures and video taken with the device. I would hope, for consistency's sake, that none of the "Instagram is pointless" posters participated in those threads.
- 12-02-12, 12:04 PM #93
Re: Who needs instagram?
BoackBerry10 will have some awesome photo and video editing baked right in. From what I'm told its pretty powerful stuff, BlackBerry needs to have as many apps as possible at launch. There is no way around this.
- 12-02-12, 12:10 PM #94
Instagram is a very major app. After having received so much criticism for a lack of apps, launching BB10 without it would be a big mistake. They need to have all the big-name apps they can get, and then some. Whether or not you enjoy Instagram personally is a whole different discussion (Personally I don't see much point in it), but there are well over 30 million people who use it right now, with over a billion photographs uploaded, so it's quite clearly important to a significant number of people.
- 12-02-12, 12:29 PM #95
Re: Who needs instagram?
When you truly look at it, being that rim is in such good terms with Facebook, I don't see how Instagram won't be there. Being that Facebook owns them and all.
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- CrackBerry Abuser
12-02-12, 12:39 PM #96
- 119 Posts
Everyone here is arguing about how necessary Instagram is to the platform but even if RIM does get them to do develop an app for BB 10, what is going to happen when another app becomes popular and BB 10 does not have it? Are we going to say that people will leave en masse because of it. I believe that the only time that apps are the most important advantage is when all platforms themselves have no inherent advantage over each other.
What RIM seems to be doing is creating an experience that people will be drawn to and hopefully, the experience would be enough that they will be willing to give up their favourite apps long enough for the devs to follow. I know this is a big order but they need to become a big enough force that devs will always consider them when developing an app. If you also add the fact that they have created a tool set that makes almost stupidly easy to port or code for BB 10 along with their platform of choice, I believe the apps will come. But they need to prove that the experience on BB 10 is worth the switch, even if means you that you lose access to instagram for a few weeks.
- CrackBerry Abuser
12-02-12, 01:53 PM #98
- 119 Posts
- 12-02-12, 02:08 PM #99
RIM has a "flagship" device with a paltry app store and a ridiculously flawed camera. It has medium of the road devices that are serviceable. It owns the developing market with entry Curve devices. RIM even has a luxury device at $2000. I would say RIM has a device at each price point.
The carriers sell and promote what sells. BB doesn't sell. A marketshare in the single digits tells you that.
In 2007 the App store did not exist. Jobs saw a market/need to fill the void for the deficiencies in the OS that had to be met with the use of apps.
That is an adaptation that has served Apple well.
Android has an enormous app selection.
It's survival of the fittest. Either adapt, respond and execute or perish.
How often do you see adverts for iOS and Android apps for specific businesses but none for BB? Where is BB in terms of marketshare? I would suggest that if RIM hadn't sat in a garden like a fat cat complacent in its sovereignty in his home garden, a leaner, meaner, hungrier iOS or Android would not have jumped in to scoop up all the fat birds that RIM was too fat and complacent to fight for.
History speaks for itself.
- 12-02-12, 02:19 PM #100
Below are some examples of passionately argued positions over the past year and a half since the Playbook was released. Some of these are hard to believe today, but I swear I did not make any of these up. The threads are still there if you look for them. Here then, is a brief history lesson on fanboy apologetics.
"Apps are a crutch," the rallying cry went, "who needs them when you can access the full web?" Links to all sorts of websites where compiled as a substitute for apps and games. Soon however, the Android player became available, apps suddenly became extremely popular. This particular delusion is still alive, but it really started dying off when RIM itself came out and said that apps were important.
Native email. There were a number of posters who argued that they preferred NOT to have native email. As with many missing features, the reason given was "security." Some claimed that they wished native email would come just to shut up the whiners who wanted native email.
Autocorrect. My favorite one was that autocorrect helped made kids dumb. Besides BB people already know how to spell.
Netflix. It was the company that was going bankrupt anyway. It was funny how every company who refused to support RIM had a crappy product or was about to go under. About Netflix, why watch it on the tablet when I have a 50" TV? When someone made the mistake of saying it was good for keeping the kids entertained, that poster got reamed for bad parenting. Why are you using the iPad as a babysitter, it was argued.
Who needs Skype? Playbook video chat is better. I have Skype on my computer anyway, and besides Skype on mobile devices don't work as well as the desktop version and it doesn't work with bluetooth
Who needs "insert popular game here". Tools, not toys. Besides you can play it on this flash website. This attitude started dying out when RIM announced heavy gaming support in their developer conference, and when the big name games started appearing.
I'm sure everyone can think of a few more examples. The gist of it is this: When it comes to features, If RIM doesn't have it, an apologist will claim that it next to useless. However if RIM in time gets the feature, then it's not useless after all. And if a feature is unique to RIM, it's a game changing, revolutionary feature.
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