- 11-19-12, 04:54 PM #2610 is a complete re-architecture of mobile paradigms previously unseen anywhere.
- 11-19-12, 05:48 PM #28
Just to be clear, I believe in BB10 as much as everyone on the site. I think it is a great OS and has the power to propel Blackberry to be the number 3 option, and is a threat to Android. However, I, as all BB users & fans should be, am aware Blackberry sales in the US SUCK. Buisnesses are operating BYOD and consumers are leaving for flashier phones. But once again, I DO NOT want BB10 to bust.
- 11-19-12, 08:27 PM #30
And btw, RIM could conceivably go on fairly well without the US market at all; they're experiencing most of their growth in Africa and Asia right now, and Europe remains a respectable market for them. Once they get their cost-cutting out of the way, they could probably continue on indefinitely.
That said, obviously it would be fantastic if RIM could recover lost share in the US market. That isn't going to happen overnight, but if they manage the BB10 launch well, who's to say they can't succeed?
- 11-19-12, 09:48 PM #32
Two words! NO WAY! Not gonna happen. This phone is the most hyped up BB I think to date. I really don't think it is going to be hype and nothing more. This is some serious business here, and is going to attract a lot of attention. For whatever it's worth, I stopped in my local Verizon store to pay my bill the other day, and for a staff that was so anti BB for the past few years, they were singing a different song the when I was there. All pretty much saying that they can't wait until it's release as well, and most of the reps there were rocking Android, so that told me a lot right there
- CrackBerry Newbie
11-19-12, 10:17 PM #34
- 5 Posts
I checked out video of bb10 in action at the BB jam dev conference and was
Really impressed, except I noticed a few times when the phone was
Unresponsive to swiping jesture.
I just shrugged it off but noticed that another poster commented on it also.
I hope this is no big deal now but this phone better come out bug free right from the
Get go or the press will have a field day on rim.
Did anyone else see the glitch?
Is it no big deal since they would have had 4 months to perfect the product.
- 11-19-12, 10:38 PM #35
If BB10 fails, not much will happen. If the company can't survive, it'll be broken up and sold. In the bigger picture though, the sun will still come up in the morning and set in the evening.
- CrackBerry Genius
11-20-12, 07:33 AM #36
- 3,822 Posts
Stock price wise, it could be a double dip but I think RIM are on the right track at the moment. If i remember correctly there were rumours of facebook or google buying RIM...cringe.
- CrackBerry Addict
11-20-12, 07:49 AM #38
- 581 Posts
Re: What if BB10 is a big big bust?
Seriously...I know it feels like a long time until launch but could you come up with a better topic than that? I could think of a few for you...:thumbdown:
- 11-20-12, 08:17 AM #39
WebOS was similarly awesome looking. We all know how that turned out.
We all know how awesome BB10 should be. We all know how nice it looks. We're not discussing that in this topic here...we're discussing SALES. All that 'designed for people' spiel doesn't have any bearing with sales.
Just keep your fingers crossed that RIM's marketing will do a good job, that the early software is stable, bug free and is in enough stock to sell. Hope the hardware is top notch with relatively few issues.
- CrackBerry Abuser
11-20-12, 11:23 AM #40
- 207 Posts
RIM is not interested in selling all or even an equity stake or even licensing BB10. The only license deal they are interested in is for content. The whole posibility of licensing BB10 was a sham, it was for the investment market/analyst to shut them up
- CrackBerry Addict
11-20-12, 11:57 AM #41
- 692 Posts
I don't think that BB10 could fail, not even a single of my hair. But if BB10 fails to raise up RIM from it's fall, I will move on with others platform since my needs is always connecting with the internet, especially for emails.
I am a Blackberry fan and I will do what I can do to make what I love, Blackberry 10, to be known, famous, and most smartphone sold at least for people around me.
- 11-20-12, 02:36 PM #42
First, I don't believe BB10 will be a bust or failure or D.O.A. as it has a captive QWERTY audience and a compelling full-touch device to start gaining back market share.
That said, if BB10 is a bust, we can assume that RIM is finished. It may indeed continue to sell low-margin phones and see growth in Africa/Asia-Pac but it will be non-existent in the North American/UK.
In a typically pessimistic at Gizmodo it was said that RIM "should die" so that its competitors can reap the benefits of its patent portfolio and services. Honestly, if killer functions like the new virtual keyboard, peek-flow, and BBM go to iOS, I'm there. That goes double if it winds up on Android or WP8 since I need "real" file management, not iTunes, not a jailbreak or third party workaround.
- CrackBerry User
11-20-12, 02:37 PM #43
- 73 Posts
I don't think that BB/RIM is going to fail or will the company disappear for these reasons, :
1) BB users are using old phones and are waiting for BB10 to come out and based on what I've seen BB10 will meet the needs of most users. I would not be surprised to see 10 million BB10 devices sold in the US alone in 2013.
2) The US market doesn't dictate the success or failure of BB or RIM. There are no import issuses for BB devices anywhere in the world so they can sell everywhere. Also in most of the world the leading smart phone by far is BB devices.
3) QNX. QNX is used everywhere in critical industries where OS failures are not allowed. QNX is a fully functioning and money making portion of BB/RIM that will continue to bring revenue to BB. There are other directions BB can go if smart phones don't pan out. The Tesla vehicles are powered by QNX and with BB services they performed the first OTA software update of any car.
BB/RIM is been busy behind the scenes getting things done and opening doors for their company to grow and move into new markets.
If BB fails that would be terrible for all consumers. However, don't count BB out the Fat Lady hasn't even got on stage.
- 11-20-12, 02:46 PM #46
- 11-20-12, 03:22 PM #47
As for selling an equity stake, if BB10 doesn't sell well RIM would have little choice. My favorite scenario would have a large "white knight" come in and take a 20-40% stake, and to me the most likely candidate would be Microsoft. Under such a scenario, BB10 might remain in production, but we'd quickly see Windows Phones get BIS access. Would be a huge win-win.
Personally, I'd much prefer that BB10 succeed and RIM remain an independent going concern, but I see this as a viable fall-back position.
- 11-20-12, 05:27 PM #50
If BB10 fails, blackberry will definitely become a shell of its former self. They may abandon the high to mid tier phone market and focus its efforts elsewhere. Definitely will see a decrease in consumer produtcts.
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