Thorsten Heins disappointed in the delay to US carriers

**jmb12177** · 02-06-2013, 04:07 PM

Thorsten is disappointed in the long delay for US carries to release BB10.

What dose every one think of this.

I think if he really want to light a fire under the US carriers ***, then he should announce that BB10 devices will start being sold unlocked for US residents. That would certainly **** off the cell phone carriers, then it will be either they release the new phone, or lose there chance to new or renewed contracts.

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**r0v3rT3N** · 02-06-2013, 04:10 PM

Why would he want to anger the carriers?
They are marketing for him.

**mrm_090** · 02-06-2013, 04:17 PM

agree with r0v... it may be disappointing but at the end of the day, blackberry needs carriers to be on board with the marketing. after all, they're the ones who sell the product to the end user. don't bite the hand that feeds you, right!!

new to crackberry, new to z10, old time blackberry!

**emstardeluxe** · 02-06-2013, 04:20 PM

Phew - title should be "Thorsten Heins disappointed in US Carrier delay" otherwise it looks like a much more negative thread than it is

EDIT: thanks!

**theegoldenone** · 02-06-2013, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by jmb12177

Thorsten is disappointed in the long delay for US carries to release BB10.

What dose every one think of this.

I think if he really want to light a fire under the US carriers ***, then he should announce that BB10 devices will start being sold unlocked for US residents. That would certainly **** off the cell phone carriers, then it will be either they release the new phone, or lose there chance to new or renewed contracts.

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Source for said disappointment?

**kill_9** · 02-06-2013, 04:25 PM

I was expecting to read that he was disappointed by the missing functionality and core applications we BlackBerry users have come to rely upon over the years. Anyway, I doubt he put much pressure on the US wireless carriers during the Autumn of 2012. The US market will either reward or punish BlackBerry come launch day(s) for the various wireless carriers.

**sveDala** · 02-06-2013, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by theegoldenone

Source for said disappointment?

RIM CEO Thorsten Heins on the U.S. Delay and Marketing Costs - WSJ.com

**randall2580** · 02-06-2013, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by sveDala

RIM CEO Thorsten Heins on the U.S. Delay and Marketing Costs - WSJ.com

can you post this article instead of the link for those of us who won't give Rupert Murdoch one penny?

**MsBrittz1016** · 02-06-2013, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by randall2580

can you post this article instead of the link for those of us who won't give Rupert Murdoch one penny?

This!

**kevinnugent** · 02-06-2013, 08:09 PM

A day ahead of the launch of Research In Motion Ltd.'s long-awaited BlackBerry 10 smartphones, The Wall Street Journal talked with Chief Executive Thorsten Heins about the U.S. delay, marketing costs and service fees. Here, an edited transcript of the interview.

WSJ: What kind of support and availability do you expect from carriers?

Thorsten Heins: It varies region by region. We met with about 100 carriers. Some of them were very supportive, because they knew it was something really different that they absolutely wanted. The U.S., with nationwide LTE, probably has the most rigorous testing cycles. So even to enter ...

Nothing we haven't heard before....

**jrohland** · 02-07-2013, 05:08 PM

Carrier testing as the reason for this delay doesn't make sense. In a competitive market the carriers would push very hard to get the hot new handset in their stores before the other guys. That being the case, testing delays would be driven down to the point where they didn't exist. Since all the carriers are going to release at about the same time, I believe there is an outside influence at work. The obvious disruptive force is government. I suspect the US government thugs have told the carriers to keep the device from being sold while they try to work our how to track and eavesdrop these devices.

Why then did the UK get it out so quickly? It is certainly not that they don't want to engage in similar immoral activities. More likely is the UK and US governments are using the UK as a field trial and the US as a control. My impression of the Canadian government is they have more respect for personal privacy and, aren't as cavalier with their human rights.

**jimpilot** · 02-07-2013, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by jrohland

Carrier testing as the reason for this delay doesn't make sense. In a competitive market the carriers would push very hard to get the hot new handset in their stores before the other guys. That being the case, testing delays would be driven down to the point where they didn't exist. Since all the carriers are going to release at about the same time, I believe there is an outside influence at work. The obvious disruptive force is government. I suspect the US government thugs have told the carriers to keep the device from being sold while they try to work our how to track and eavesdrop these devices.

Why then did the UK get it out so quickly? It is certainly not that they don't want to engage in similar immoral activities. More likely is the UK and US governments are using the UK as a field trial and the US as a control. My impression of the Canadian government is they have more respect for personal privacy and, aren't as cavalier with their human rights.

How did they find time what with all the other things they've done like faking the moon landing, etc.

**SixStringMadness** · 02-07-2013, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by jrohland

Carrier testing as the reason for this delay doesn't make sense. In a competitive market the carriers would push very hard to get the hot new handset in their stores before the other guys. That being the case, testing delays would be driven down to the point where they didn't exist. Since all the carriers are going to release at about the same time, I believe there is an outside influence at work. The obvious disruptive force is government. I suspect the US government thugs have told the carriers to keep the device from being sold while they try to work our how to track and eavesdrop these devices.

Why then did the UK get it out so quickly? It is certainly not that they don't want to engage in similar immoral activities. More likely is the UK and US governments are using the UK as a field trial and the US as a control. My impression of the Canadian government is they have more respect for personal privacy and, aren't as cavalier with their human rights.

There certainly are several theories out there, but government intervention goes at the bottom of my list of possible scenarios.

Last time I heard Thor discuss this on Good Morning America I believe, he was very clear that there was extensive testing in the US, but was tactful in his delivery of the statement, and it came across as complimentary.

I trust what he is saying in that regard, and don't perceive it as CEO speak....

**ssbtech** · 02-08-2013, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by randall2580

can you post this article instead of the link for those of us who won't give Rupert Murdoch one penny?

And that's not copyright infringement how?

**ssbtech** · 02-08-2013, 12:15 AM

Market share for BlackBerry in the US is at an all-time low. Heins is in no position to dictate to carriers how and when their product will launch in the US.

Compare that to the iPhone where unprecidented demand meant Steve Jobs had all the control over the release of the phone.

**Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes** · 02-08-2013, 12:22 AM

well no kidding. Of course he would rather they have them now. Is this news?

**southlander** · 02-08-2013, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by jrohland

Carrier testing as the reason for this delay doesn't make sense. In a competitive market the carriers would push very hard to get the hot new handset in their stores before the other guys. That being the case, testing delays would be driven down to the point where they didn't exist. Since all the carriers are going to release at about the same time, I believe there is an outside influence at work. The obvious disruptive force is government. I suspect the US government thugs have told the carriers to keep the device from being sold while they try to work our how to track and eavesdrop these devices.

Why then did the UK get it out so quickly? It is certainly not that they don't want to engage in similar immoral activities. More likely is the UK and US governments are using the UK as a field trial and the US as a control. My impression of the Canadian government is they have more respect for personal privacy and, aren't as cavalier with their human rights.

someone else explained the delay in a very simple a plausible way.
1. there was limited production.
2. the US carriers tried to wait RIM out to force concessions on hardware prices.
3. RIM went ahead and allocated the limited supply to all the others.

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**BergerKing** · 02-08-2013, 12:31 AM

If you don't think the US carriers take their sweet time, take a look at the prospective launch of the Galaxy S IV, it will launch at least a month later in the US than other parts of the world. That's the way the cookie crumbles. You think Thor & Company wouldn't rather be pumping BlackBerrys into American hands as fast as they could be shipped? By the time they are ready to launch, everyone else is well acquainted with the device. Ain't waiting fun?!

**Taigatrommel** · 02-08-2013, 05:32 AM

Well, there is a world besides North America and Europe is not UK only.
Here around mainland Europe, we are still waiting for Z10 releases. In Germany we won't get the devices before late february, AFAIK neither France, Switzerland, Austria, Spain or Netherlands got any more positive release dates either. Don't know about the scandinavian countries, but I somehow doubt they'll get it prior to the southern countries.
What about the pacific regions? Australia? New Zealand? What about Asia, especially India and Philippines, or more on different continent we have South Africa, all of them are emerging markets where Blackberry is (still) top, did they got their hands on a BB10 device yet?

**kevinnugent** · 02-08-2013, 05:38 AM

Short answer. No.

**jrohland** · 02-08-2013, 05:47 AM

I know some of you grew up under socialism and don't actually understand how market competition works. For carriers getting people under contract is the holy grail, nirvana if you will. They will do almost anything to get them. If there is a product customers are waiting for (Samsung Galaxy S IV) and, there is a finite number of potential customers not under contract who want the IV, the carriers will not let the testing lab--which they control--hold that phone from being sold.

So, if the labs are taking about the same amount of time, there is something other than the carrier controlling it. Some of those influences could be:

1) The carriers have colluded to agree on the holding time. This is likely illegal.
2) The testing procedures and timeline has been specified by the industry trade association and all the carriers agree to that timeline.
3) The FCC and other government agencies have specified the testing procedures.
4) The government forces the carriers to hold the product off the market for some period of time for unknown reasons.

**kevinnugent** · 02-08-2013, 05:50 AM

Or 5. Limited stock.

**walt63** · 02-08-2013, 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by ssbtech

And that's not copyright infringement how?

No. Its not being posted as their own post nor taking credit for it to make money.

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**unbreakablej** · 02-08-2013, 06:51 AM

Love how it escalated to govt conspiracy theory at some point. Though Maybe it is apple at work her, I remember reading how sprint is committed to selling 20bil worth of iphones for the next 4 years. Could be a similar situation with other carriers so they would want to make bb less competitive. Though the strong demand elsewhere night have made them reconsider that e.g. t-mobile looking to forward their release? I'd say it was a good idea to build up the vibe elsewhere in the world too. As well as the apps.

**jrohland** · 02-08-2013, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by unbreakablej

Love how it escalated to govt conspiracy theory at some point. Though Maybe it is apple at work her, I remember reading how sprint is committed to selling 20bil worth of iphones for the next 4 years. Could be a similar situation with other carriers so they would want to make bb less competitive. Though the strong demand elsewhere night have made them reconsider that e.g. t-mobile looking to forward their release? I'd say it was a good idea to build up the vibe elsewhere in the world too. As well as the apps.

And why is the hand of the state less likely than BlackBerry not wanting to sell phones because their manufacturing is not ramped up? They would rather sell all they can and see headlines of them being sold out than not sell them at all.

The possibility that some carriers don't want the Z on the market because they have contractual obligation to sell something else is reasonable. That would only apply only to Sprint, which has shown some reluctance to sell the Z.