- CrackBerry Abuser
12-11-2012, 07:58 PM #26
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Thank you for your points and opinion, I think there well crafted and I appreciate them. (I don't understand how flame wars start in this forum)
I like to believe this too, but I like to believe more that what's going to sell the device is it's brand name "Blackberry" RIM would instantly looses customers without this name. However, I do believe that this "Wow" factor is important, I'm just confused because I don't understand what this missing Spectacular-TAT-feature there suppose to be adding, or what more they need add to there amazing line up (granted they will obviously unveil more features).
To us things like the Hub and all-in-one-contacts and the gestures etc, are old because we've been watching RIM for so long. But, to the new eye this platform looks amazing!
I'm simply stating that I think they have done alot based on the "Check this weird Blackberry 10 Device RIMS trying to sell" Test that I've done with all my friends and family and every time they look at it in amazement.
It's also hard for me to judge/defend this platform that I've never used nor experienced. So, I don't understand why everyone already predicted that TAT has not done enough to win people over.
(Not to pick on you Mr.F, I think this is a great thread for conversation.)
- 12-11-2012, 08:15 PM #27
Re: Is there enough TAT in BB10...
Have a feeling there is a good bit of tat in bb10. Also have a feeling tat is what's going to make the media apps look amazing. Has no one wondered why we haven't seen them yet? Its because they are special......sshhhhhhh....I waited...It launched...Im still waiting...
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12-11-2012, 08:49 PM #28QNX and LTE, hand me a pen and let's do this.
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- 12-11-2012, 08:50 PM #29/ device agnosticism or bust!
Maybe my expectations of what BB10 would be like with TAT on board were too high - but I stand by the fact that they were not unfounded based on what they've produced before (see videos posted earlier). It's difficult to explain other than the lack of a wow factor (for me personally). When I show people my Playbook they're still amazed at the left/right bezel gestures when switching apps full screen or viewing the row of minimized fully running apps - and that's nearly 2 years after it hit the market. As much as I'm impressed by the BlackBerry Hub I personally do not consider that to be a wow factor (not for your average consumer anyway). The nearest BB10 gets to a similar wow moment (so far) is the pulling back of a screen to reveal what is beneath - that is undoubtedly 'cool' and always gets a good reaction. The keyboard is also very nice but I doubt anyone will switch back solely because of that. We live in a World of 'look what my phone can do, can yours do it?' - and so it would be nice to have a little more to reply back with - especially as these are some of the people RIM is trying to 'win' back. I understand BlackBerry is about the doing and getting things done - it would just be nice to have a bit more eye candy whilst I'm doing it.
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12-11-2012, 09:51 PM #31
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I think TAT's involvement has and will be very important to the general flow and feel of BB10. I would be very surprised if we weren't wowed by some of the native apps that are heavily influenced by TAT. Between media player, video player, BB travel, etc. I'm sure we'll have some great apps. I would suspect that for the more 'out there' kind of apps that we've seen from TAT in the past, they may be released as non-native apps and as more experimental. Of course, I could be wrong, but I suspect that we'll see TAT's influence be on beautiful, functional, easy-to-use apps.@jr4941
- 12-12-2012, 12:16 PM #32
The OS does look nice so far so it's not the biggest deal but I was absolutely mind blown when I first saw their demos. I hope that it's really influenced in media because we haven't seen much of that so far and that is where I feel they're transitions could shine and offer that mind blowing experience we've seen in the demos. It wouldn't be the end of the world because what we've seen of the OS looks nice but I have been feeling the same way. As long as it's smooth and lag free (cough* browser *cough*cough*) then it's great in the long run.
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12-13-2012, 03:59 AM #34
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- CrackBerry User
12-13-2012, 01:56 PM #35
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How does one ask "Is there enough TAT in BB10?" We really haven't seen much. Peek, Flow, and Hub look amazing! So, what we haven't seen? We haven't seen the compass, pictures, music, podcast, videos, maps, or BBM. Why is anyone picking apart BB10 when we haven't even gotten our hands on it yet?
- 12-13-2012, 02:06 PM #36
I'm not sure what's 'enough TAT', but it would be nice to see some more visual touches in spots. I like the fading effect when people slide up, I like the clock but it would be great to see even more nice visual and motion touches with general homescreen navigation. From what I've seen, the user experience is great ... just a bit more pizazz would be nice.
On my PlayBook, I can't tell you the number of times people have gravitated to that little TAT Scrapbook app.
- 12-13-2012, 03:28 PM #37
I'm sure TAT had a hand in Cascades, but TAT isn't just Cascades.
At the moment nobody knows the full extent of what TAT will bring, and I'm fine with that.
I'd actually prefer Blackberry to hold it hands to the very last moment. Gives the copycats 0 time to one up and give nothing to the media/activist anaylists to misconstrue or pan, aka their usual M.O. these days.
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12-13-2012, 07:44 PM #40
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It's like a Swiss Army knife. When you're first checking it out, the saw and the corkscrew gets lots of attention. But once you have one, you find that you a more important aspect to look at would have been the blade, the scissors and the bottle opener because that's what you really using. I hope they focused on the core and not the fluff."Distrust and caution are the parents of security." -Benjamin Franklin
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12-13-2012, 07:51 PM #42
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Part of the problem here is with the concept demo vid that TAT did way back whenever...a lot of people are missing/will miss the "concept demo" part and expect to have every single thing shown off in that vid at launch for BB10. The doom-and-gloomers are quite comfortably waiting in the wings as well to yell "that's it?! FAIL!!!oneeleven".
Hopefully RIM has several other cards to play here and people's patience will be amply rewarded.
The way I see it TAT (through Cascades) has prepared the landscape for us to reap rich and fertile crops (apps). As you said, Cascades has given developers the tools to create beautiful apps (with relative ease). In many ways it's the old 'give a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day but teach a man to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life' proverb.
My point is though this is a very long term approach. If we take it to the extreme/absolute then the short term approach would be to make all the flashy apps themselves. The medium term approach would be to give Cascades to the masses but also max out on a few apps themselves. And finally, the long term approach would be to put all their faith in developers and just give them the tools to create.
None of those approaches are right or wrong - they all have their pros and cons. My personal view is that the medium term approach is best suited (and the least risky) in terms of where RIM currently find themselves. Providing some launch day flash would be a nice way to reward the loyalty and patience of those who have stuck with RIM through the difficult times - those (like myself) that have held off from upgrading to support BB10 on launch day. As numerous other threads have alluded to, many consider this the last chance for RIM and as such I would hate to think that early adopters will once again be asked to to wait for the platform to really catch the imagination and/or mature. A first generation OS will never be as refined as a later version - there's no surprise in that - so having TAT cook up a few surprises will be a nice way to ease some of those inevitable early growing pains.
The problem I have with the absolute long term strategy is RIM may not get a chance to really show what the platform is capable of. If early apps aren't breathtaking then RIM could be dead in the water without really having the chance to flesh out the potential of BB10. Sure you can teach someone to fish - but they will never be as good as the teacher - at least not at the start anyway.
...And to clarify once again, there is no reason to suggest TAT isn't working on something special - I'm just really hoping that they are.
We've also seen screens of the music app, an early version of the pictures app and a pretty much final version of BBM 10 - along with the main visual styling for the OS as a whole.
Last edited by Mr_F; 12-13-2012 at 09:56 PM.
- 12-13-2012, 09:20 PM #46
Is there enough TAT in BB10...
Tat had much more than a hand in cascades. TaT is pretty much solely responsible for the Cascades framework. With that being said only 1 of the 6 original members of TaT are still employed under RIM Sweden. Everyone else moved on do to internal conflicts. Or so I've read.
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- 12-13-2012, 10:21 PM #48
Is there enough TAT in BB10...
TAT left their mark in Cascades. The smooth transitions and all, show where TAT had influence. I'm sure too that there are apps in the labs, waiting for a practical use.
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12-13-2012, 10:46 PM #49
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TAT was founded in 2002 its 2012 now the founder are old guys probably got bored of things and went on to other ventures one of them his wife got cancer.RIM pretty much got the the next gen TAT that had just moved into phone UI's during teh boom of smartphones.Next gen TAT they are no slouches as video has proven.And it seems RIMS trying to get outside developers to create super apps so its not just TAT doing incredibles its others too and thats what we wan for BB's.
- 12-13-2012, 10:55 PM #50
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