Steve Jobs Predicted iPhone would Die after 5 years (well not really)

**ichat** · 05-05-2012, 12:24 PM

iOS has never been innovating after version 1. After version 1, slight dev api changes, game center, gestures etc. made such an old os look a bit better. The ui hasn't changed in years! Like what is this?!

The storm came out with os 5. 2-3 year later, that look was to continue with os 6.

I mean... Cmon, if blackberrys ui isn't innovative, look at iphones. A list of small squares with fancy dots to show what page youre on. Cydia and that crap keep apple alive.

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**sam_b77** · 05-05-2012, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by exfactor

isheep this, isheep that; and Blackberry 10 is gonna save RIM. iOS is old, and Blackberry 10 is gonna change the smartphone game, yet the only people who believe that is crackberry heads. We have seen what? 3 or 4 elements from Blackberry 10, and no-one thought they were innovative but the crackberry heads. We've heard all this with the Playbook, yet RIM is still a FLOP!

70 million people would disagree with you.
You are talking from an American point of view.
Let me tell you what is happening in a country with a population of 1.2 Billion people...that's nearly 4 times America's population.
I was driving an listening to a popular FM channel in India. They started plugging their Radio App blackberry.
The ad went on saying how the channel is now available for "your Blackberry" and its free.
They plugged the BB App and said get it now for your BB and as an after thought they mentioned "also available on iPhone and iPad".
The app is Radio One on Blackberry...and in case you don't have a blackberry, they made one for iPhone.
Then there are the news apps. Almost all of the major Newspapers have a BB app.
Then there is one which has restaurant recommendations which ties in with Google Maps and takes you to the closest eatery and even has a social recommendations of whats good there.
I have apps on my BB to book tickets on the popular multiplexes. Apps to make payments for all sorts of services including train tickets, flight tickets and recharging Sat TV Boxes.
Indian Devs focus first on BB and then on other platforms.
This is the market which loves BB. Is invested with BB, and uses BBM as a social platform more than Facebook because the social platform is private and targeted and integrated with Facebook.
A country with a population of 1.2 billion where Apple has only a 2% share on smartphones and a country which is steadily becoming rich.
So RIM has a huge fanbase to build upon.
And I haven't even mentioned Indonesia yet, which is an actual BB nation with a huge population.
So really, what does America bring to the table...330 million people.... That's a nothing market now.

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**_StephenBB81** · 05-05-2012, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by sam_b77

I move around with the married crowd. We guys have figured (belatedly) that life no longer holds too much of promise...so we just hunker down and stare at our phones

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The other option is to talk to our wives....

HAHA!

Phones is the right option!

**sinsin07** · 05-05-2012, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by sam_b77

70 million people would disagree with you.
You are talking from an American point of view.
Let me tell you what is happening in a country with a population of 1.2 Billion people...that's nearly 4 times America's population.
I was driving an listening to a popular FM channel in India. They started plugging their Radio App blackberry.
The ad went on saying how the channel is now available for "your Blackberry" and its free.
They plugged the BB App and said get it now for your BB and as an after thought they mentioned "also available on iPhone and iPad".
The app is Radio One on Blackberry...and in case you don't have a blackberry, they made one for iPhone.
This is the market which loves BB. Is invested with BB, and uses BBM as a social platform more than Facebook because the social platform is private and targeted and integrated with Facebook.
A country with a population of 1.2 billion where Apple has only a 2% share on smartphones and a country which is steadily becoming rich.
So RIM has a huge fanbase to build upon.
And I haven't even mentioned Indonesia yet, which is an actual BB nation with a huge population.
So really, what does America bring to the table...330 million people.... That's a nothing market now.

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It's still not a world power. It's the perception of NA that is affecting RIM. India has no market influence, other than what's in your mind. India is another place companies go for cheap labor. This will be changing as India gets richer and richer from foreign companies exploiting the India labor force.

China is the one to watch.

**sam_b77** · 05-05-2012, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by sinsin07

It's still not a world power. It's the perception of NA that is affecting RIM. India has no market influence, other than what's in your mind. India is another place companies go for cheap labor. This will be changing as India gets richer and richer from foreign companies exploiting the India labor force.

China is the one to watch.

Where have I claimed that India is a world power??
What's up with that? Why does every country need to have annhilation services for you to take a country seriously.
China yea... good job. We'll talk when they learn how to speak in English. Till then they are out of the software scene. They are the world's cheap labor. India is the mindshare.

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**sam_b77** · 05-05-2012, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by deRusett

HAHA!

Phones is the right option!

Stephen where have you been??
Was hoping to hear from you when the Alpha Devices dropped in.
We have a bet remember...

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**harshalbid271** · 05-05-2012, 02:50 PM

Of course the next iphone is going to be awesome. It's gonna have a ret-retina-ina display and therefore it's going to be revolutionary. Yeah, everybody knows about it.

**sinsin07** · 05-05-2012, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by sam_b77

Where have I claimed that India is a world power??
What's up with that? Why does every country need to have annhilation services for you to take a country seriously.
China yea... good job. We'll talk when they learn how to speak in English. Till then they are out of the software scene. They are the world's cheap labor. India is the mindshare.

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Unfortunately superpowers matter because they have greater influence. As it has been said numerous times on these boards, RIM is doing pretty good in other countries. Yet this does not seem to affect the perception RIM faces now.

Do you really need to speak English to become a technological superpower? From things I have seen and read, it seems like China is blowing up, India not so much.

You being an India insider, I would be most appreciative if you had any good links as to the comparisons between India and China, preferably non US. Always good to get a different perspective.

**_StephenBB81** · 05-05-2012, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by sam_b77

Stephen where have you been??
Was hoping to hear from you when the Alpha Devices dropped in.
We have a bet remember...

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I forget the bet,

I've been playing with my DevAlpha, no need for all the negativity from people who have not seen, nor used the great things RIM was showing off behind the closed doors.

**Premium1** · 05-05-2012, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by sam_b77

Where have I claimed that India is a world power??
What's up with that? Why does every country need to have annhilation services for you to take a country seriously.
China yea... good job. We'll talk when they learn how to speak in English. Till then they are out of the software scene. They are the world's cheap labor. India is the mindshare.

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China doesn't need to speak english to have a large hand in the phone market. I mean they have billions of cell phone users and yes India this and that, but they do not have near the user base that china and the rest of the world does. Not only does RIM have to compete with IOS but they also have to compete with android and other OS's in India.

**sam_b77** · 05-05-2012, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by sinsin07

Unfortunately superpowers matter because they have greater influence. As it has been said numerous times on these boards, RIM is doing pretty good in other countries. Yet this does not seem to affect the perception RIM faces now.

Do you really need to speak English to become a technological superpower? From things I have seen and read, it seems like China is blowing up, India not so much.

You being an India insider, I would be most appreciative if you had any good links as to the comparisons between India and China, preferably non US. Always good to get a different perspective.

I have nothing against China. They are a good country to work with. In my business, China provides a lot of high quality machines at very affordable prices. As a manufacturing hub China is THE place.
At the same time quality has been an issue with Chinese products. I'm in the automotive business and there was a time when the Indian auto parts industry was scared of Chinese products. But the fact is they couldnt compare on quality at Chinese prices. There was a time when even light bulbs were sourced from china as they were one third the price but people realised that they dont last.
The cheap batteries etc were just that ....cheap.
Eventually people got back to buying Phillips and Duracell (made in china but not cheap).
As for software, India is far ahead. Even china recognises that.
As for "Superpower" status...would you only respect me if I have the ability to Nuke America....cmon. We only want to defend our borders. We have no ambitions to create nuisance in the world.

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**sinsin07** · 05-05-2012, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by sam_b77

I have nothing against China. They are a good country to work with. In my business, China provides a lot of high quality machines at very affordable prices. As a manufacturing hub China is THE place.
At the same time quality has been an issue with Chinese products. I'm in the automotive business and there was a time when the Indian auto parts industry was scared of Chinese products. But the fact is they couldnt compare on quality at Chinese prices. There was a time when even light bulbs were sourced from china as they were one third the price but people realised that they dont last.
The cheap batteries etc were just that ....cheap.
Eventually people got back to buying Phillips and Duracell (made in china but not cheap).
As for software, India is far ahead. Even china recognises that.
As for "Superpower" status...would you only respect me if I have the ability to Nuke America....cmon. We only want to defend our borders. We have no ambitions to create nuisance in the world.

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Thanks for the enlightenment.

Does superpower only mean the power to nuke? What is the correlation between the power to nuke and RIM's current market perception?

**Zidentia** · 05-05-2012, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by f0xG3

We all have to agree that ALL piece of innovation will die due to age. However, I would like to stress that it depends upon the decisions, audience and circumstances on how long such innovation ages.

Nokia is a good example; for a decade, they held on the top.. until their product comes on a natural decline (approaching bottom; let's hope WP gives it new life). Blackberry too, we got onto the top some years back and now we're on the point of declining (pointy arrow going down; too early to say it's dead though, BB10 will give it new life)... Palm too (well, consensus agreed it's dead)... everyone had their share of tops.

iPhone and Android will eventually die too, but waay too early to tell. We could say that the devices have reached the highest point of their lives. In the case of iOS, we'd seen that it platooned when iPad 3 / iPhone 4S was revealed (platooned on the highest point). Though I am curious what will iPhone 5 / iPad 4 has to offer. If they don't do anything on the iOS, I'd have to agree that it is platooning on a point.

And yes, I agree on MartyMcfly, waving your iPhone or any of our gizmos in public for long is just asking robbers / holdupers to lock on you

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"Platooned", yes that was a good movie.

**DearGod** · 05-05-2012, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by eve6er69

Funny. When I tell iphone people ios bores me because I've had an itouch since day 1 they say how awesome it is and better.

Its squares on a backdrop with a fluid swiping motion. That's it!

Blackberry os is boring from what they all say, its the same general thing. Only difference is ios apps are more rounded. We've had abilities to add folders for years, but when apple does it its amazing!

I don't understand people that don't look before they talk.

End rant

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I always here this as well.

"It's better!"
me "Why is it better?"
"It just is!"
me "Why?"
"cause this and that app"
me "I dont use those.."
"But still!"

**mikelcal** · 05-05-2012, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by sam_b77

China yea... good job. We'll talk when they learn how to speak in English. Till then they are out of the software scene. They are the world's cheap labor. India is the mindshare.

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WHOA THERE I'm not Chinese and I feel offended. Just because *common fruit* takes advantage of the Chinese for labor doesn't mean they don't hold any power in the global market. You have large metropolitan cities in China with enough money to purchase a sizeable amount of marketshare.

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**sam_b77** · 05-05-2012, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by deRusett

I forget the bet,

I've been playing with my DevAlpha, no need for all the negativity from people who have not seen, nor used the great things RIM was showing off behind the closed doors.

Let me remind you,
I had bet you that you would buy the first BB10 device on launch even though it wouldn't have a hard keyboard. We had settled for a beer to be redeemed halfway in London. I could go digging for that post, but I'd rather you remember than make me do all the hard work.
Do you want to change the bet now?

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And YOU have a Dev Alpha??? You *#!!***#.....
Cmon spill the beans mate.....I would give anything to try it for a few hours....please please just tell me how is it???

**BB_makes_it_happen** · 05-05-2012, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by eve6er69

Funny. When I tell iphone people ios bores me because I've had an itouch since day 1 they say how awesome it is and better.

Its squares on a backdrop with a fluid swiping motion. That's it!

Blackberry os is boring from what they all say, its the same general thing. Only difference is ios apps are more rounded. We've had abilities to add folders for years, but when apple does it its amazing!

I don't understand people that don't look before they talk.

End rant

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It is the "iSheep" philosophy - it is easier to critize on popular opinions than gather their own experience and facts.

If RIM's 'new' marketing strategies match their focus on great hardware - and the media gets educated - IMHO things can improve.

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**sam_b77** · 05-05-2012, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by mikelcal

WHOA THERE I'm not Chinese and I feel offended. Just because *common fruit* takes advantage of the Chinese for labor doesn't mean they don't hold any power in the global market. You have large metropolitan cities in China with enough money to purchase a sizeable amount of marketshare.

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Yes they do. I wasn't talking get about Chinese market share. They probably have the biggest market for electronics right now. Chinese people are rich and have a huge population. Their cities have to be seen to be believed. Nothing but respect for that.
I was responding on a totally different matter. Nowhere have I suggested that India has a higher purchasing power than China. Not by a long shot.

What I said was that India on its own has a a huge potential market for smartphones and BB is doing really well here. And the Indian devs and companies are making India specific apps which people in America don't get to see. The lack of apps which people complain about in USA is not a situation in India. As a matter of fact BBOS is a preferred platform for Indian devs and e-commerce companies as BBs have a high penetration in India.
That's all I meant when my post was hijacked into a "Who can kick whose a$$ topic".

**sam_b77** · 05-05-2012, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by sinsin07

Thanks for the enlightenment.

Does superpower only mean the power to nuke? What is the correlation between the power to nuke and RIM's current market perception?

You tell me. You were the one to bring up the terms of superpower and world power...not me.

**sinsin07** · 05-05-2012, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by sam_b77

You tell me. You were the one to bring up the terms of superpower and world power...not me.

I am going to leave it alone as to not further derail your thread.

Thanks

**sam_b77** · 05-05-2012, 03:58 PM

Just to clarify my posts...it wasn't about countries per se and who kick whose a$$. It was about market expectations.

I got the PB on launch in America. And some of the earliest apps were India specific.

The biggest gripes about Apps from America was the absence of Netflix, HBOGO, ESPN etc etc.
Netflix has zero presence in India. We got the apps which mattered to us. HBOGO doesn't work in India, so the smartphone users were least bothered that the PB didn't have that working. We are not big users of Skype....so that didn't make a difference.

On my BB, I have apps for payment gateway in India. I can pay my phone bills, credit cards, Sat TV subscription etc in India with an app on my BB.
My point to was that while devs in America might be ignoring BBOS, devs in India are churning out apps for BB in a big way.
In India, iPhone is the secondary platform, BB is first. That is all. It's not about my "my country is better etc".
BB has a huge brand recall in India and they can cash in on it. Sure, India today wouldn't bring up the numbers, but it would in a few years. And BB is on course to cash that in.

**mphillips828** · 05-05-2012, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by sinsin07

It's still not a world power. It's the perception of NA that is affecting RIM. India has no market influence, other than what's in your mind. India is another place companies go for cheap labor. This will be changing as India gets richer and richer from foreign companies exploiting the India labor force.

China is the one to watch.

Just wanted to let you know that India is apart of the upcoming super powers of the world. It's called "BRIC". Brazil, Russia, India, China. So yeah I think that India will become a major factor in the mobile industry and will assist in RIM turning it around. NA perception to the shares of RIM is immense and they do need to turn that around but they are functioning just fine outside of NA. There is a large world outside of USA...not the only country in the world

**sinsin07** · 05-05-2012, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by mphillips828

Just wanted to let you know that India is apart of the upcoming super powers of the world. It's called "BRIC". Brazil, Russia, India, China. So yeah I think that India will become a major factor in the mobile industry and will assist in RIM turning it around. NA perception to the shares of RIM is immense and they do need to turn that around but they are functioning just fine outside of NA. There is a large world outside of USA...not the only country in the world

Yes, I realize this, that is why I said "this will be changing". Yes there is a larger world out side of NA. When it comes to economic power, right now a lot of it doesn't matter.

Not clear on why you say " I think that India will become a major factor in the mobile industry" . Doesn't India have some 850mil plus cell phone users now?

**_StephenBB81** · 05-05-2012, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by sam_b77

Let me remind you,
I had bet you that you would buy the first BB10 device on launch even though it wouldn't have a hard keyboard. We had settled for a beer to be redeemed halfway in London. I could go digging for that post, but I'd rather you remember than make me do all the hard work.
Do you want to change the bet now?

.
And YOU have a Dev Alpha??? You *#!!***#.....
Cmon spill the beans mate.....I would give anything to try it for a few hours....please please just tell me how is it???

I remember the Bet now!

and even after having the devAlpha, I wont be Buying the first BlackBerry 10 device unless it has a Keyboard

The devAlpha is a nice piece of hardware, it had very little on day 1, but a crap load of bar files have started appearing, and a few code samples have been compiled and show some cool functionality

I still hate typing on a touchscreen but the OS has some promise if the apps that are made just to showcase functionality have anything to say

**PineappleUnderTheSea** · 05-05-2012, 04:11 PM

I personally thought the 4S wouldn't really sell due to the same iOS, same form factor, etc, but hey I was wrong.

People like simplicity with an illusion of customization, and iOS delivers just that. At the end of the day, most people put a wallpaper of their cutesy poopsy kids and that's about as much customization as they do. But to the OP's point, the next iPhone should offer a "classic" iOS look for those who are frightened of change, and another look that can be customized. After 5 years, the same look is getting a bit boring, I'm not so sure I'd go with the iPhone 5 if it retained the exact same OS; in fact, Apple should use RIM as an example: RIM kept the same old OS for years and years, and people simply WOKE UP and left (see what I did there?)

RIM is doing the right thing with BB10. And I'm glad they're taking their time and doing right. And if they manage to integrate the BB10 phones and tablets perfectly, I'll be on board.