- I doubt it'll do bad iPhone and Android have dominated the market for quite some time. Folks who I have talked to say they are willing to try it just because they're sick of their iPhone or sick of their Android and already tried the competition and don't feel comfortable with it. So regardless of how launch goesRIM is going to have people trying their product, now the question is will they like it or will not? That depends on preference and if it impresses.12-28-12 10:25 AMLike 0
- I disagree, at least partially. RIM is doing *fine* world-wide, it's just struggling in NA. If things really go south and this crashes and burns (not likely IMHO), they can easily just switch focus onto the rest of the world (likely with 7.0-type devices). They won't actually 'die'.12-28-12 10:26 AMLike 0
- I suppose ALL of the reports of BLACKBERRY selling well in other countries is a.......HOAX. Doubt that very much. Honestly you need to get out more, or read whats going on in other countries besides the ONE your familiar with. The BB10 devices ....IMO, are targeted at North America market to compete in a very crowed arena. Hopefully the BB10 will do well in this ever changing "smartphone" world we live in.......hear today gone tomorrow.
Here are the latest numbers from South African carrier Vodacom:
RIM sold 300,000 BlackBerry phones - a growth of 12% over the previous quarter
Android OEMs sold 500,000 Android phones - a growth of 40% over the previous quarter
Apple sold 250,000 iPhones - a growth of 100% over the previous quarter
I can read whats going on in South Africa! Look BlackBerry growth has slowed considerably. The BlackBerry fad in South Africa and Nigeria is slowly dying. Just because North American ditched BlackBerry first, doesn't mean other countries aren't or wont follow.
Have you ever heard of TCL Communication? I haven't. Not once until about 5 minutes ago. But you know what? They are even beating RIM now. TCL sold 2.2% of the smartphones that were sold last quarter, while RIM only sold 2.1%. Now for the previous quarter, RIM was beating TCL. TCL = 2.0% while RIM = 2.9% . That is crazy that RIM is selling well in all these countries, yet still losing World-wide market share and can't even keep up with TCL.
2.1% of the smartphones that were sold last quarter were made by RIM. In what planet is that selling well?12-28-12 10:51 AMLike 0 - STUDY: Watching FOX News Makes You Stupid - Business Insider
Stop watching them... It's unhealthy for the mind!12-28-12 11:31 AMLike 0 - Oh so maybe it is just a hoax that RIM is losing money each quarter and maybe RIM isn't loosing subscribers faster than they are gaining them? Maybe RIM just made all of that up.
Here are the latest numbers from South African carrier Vodacom:
RIM sold 300,000 BlackBerry phones - a growth of 12% over the previous quarter
Android OEMs sold 500,000 Android phones - a growth of 40% over the previous quarter
Apple sold 250,000 iPhones - a growth of 100% over the previous quarter
I can read whats going on in South Africa! Look BlackBerry growth has slowed considerably. The BlackBerry fad in South Africa and Nigeria is slowly dying. Just because North American ditched BlackBerry first, doesn't mean other countries aren't or wont follow.
Have you ever heard of TCL Communication? I haven't. Not once until about 5 minutes ago. But you know what? They are even beating RIM now. TCL sold 2.2% of the smartphones that were sold last quarter, while RIM only sold 2.1%. Now for the previous quarter, RIM was beating TCL. TCL = 2.0% while RIM = 2.9% . That is crazy that RIM is selling well in all these countries, yet still losing World-wide market share and can't even keep up with TCL.
2.1% of the smartphones that were sold last quarter were made by RIM. In what planet is that selling well?
I do believe RIM is "all in" with BB10, but it is difficult for me to picture RIM closing it's doors next year, even in the worst case scenario.Spencerdl likes this.12-28-12 12:29 PMLike 1 - Well this discussion sent me on a search of global smartphone marsketshare for 2012. What I found was disheartening and doesn't support my impression that RIM was doing well globally. I was wrong.
Now, I have never used this company, but I couldn't find evidence that it was affiliated with any smartphone platform. Therefore I take their data with a "hhhhhhmmmm.....interesting......" kind of attitude.
KWP_ComTech_OS_Shares_P12[1].pdf don't think you'll be able to access this so I'll just link below.
http://www.kantarworldpanel.com/glob...ne-share-in-US
Just hit "Download All Market Shares"Spencerdl likes this.12-28-12 12:33 PMLike 1 -
Have you ever heard of TCL Communication? I haven't. Not once until about 5 minutes ago. But you know what? They are even beating RIM now. TCL sold 2.2% of the smartphones that were sold last quarter, while RIM only sold 2.1%. Now for the previous quarter, RIM was beating TCL. TCL = 2.0% while RIM = 2.9% . That is crazy that RIM is selling well in all these countries, yet still losing World-wide market share and can't even keep up with TCL.Saiga likes this.12-28-12 12:40 PMLike 1 - We're all just bored & fidgety waiting for a) Jan 30th, 2013, and b) a date we can buy BB10 devices. It was easier when I was ignorant of BB10.MADBRADNYC likes this.12-28-12 01:15 PMLike 1
- STUDY: Watching FOX News Makes You Stupid - Business Insider
Stop watching them... It's unhealthy for the mind!12-28-12 01:33 PMLike 0 - I have to agree with others here. This is RIM's last chance to survive. At the very least, if RIM's handset division dies, it will be with a bang and not a whimper. To paraphrase King Theoden, if RIM is to die, let it be such a death as to be remembered!
Anyway, I'll be lining up with the rest of you to back RIM. The BB10 will be awesome. I hope others see the phone the way we do.BergerKing likes this.12-28-12 02:09 PMLike 1 - Well this discussion sent me on a search of global smartphone marsketshare for 2012. What I found was disheartening and doesn't support my impression that RIM was doing well globally. I was wrong.
Now, I have never used this company, but I couldn't find evidence that it was affiliated with any smartphone platform. Therefore I take their data with a "hhhhhhmmmm.....interesting......" kind of attitude.
KWP_ComTech_OS_Shares_P12[1].pdf don't think you'll be able to access this so I'll just link below.
News - Apple achieves its highest ever Smartphone share in US - Kantar Worldpanel
Just hit "Download All Market Shares"TomJasper likes this.12-28-12 02:19 PMLike 1 -
FAUX news pays salaries to Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity. As long as they consider those buffoons employable, and Rupert murdoch calls the shots, they are a second class opinion station.
REDRUM. REDRUM. REDSGS3.randall2580 likes this.12-28-12 02:22 PMLike 1 - Well kiddies, I remember when it really was news......now it is just infotainment. One needs very big filters to be able to sift through the chaff to get to the kernels of grain....boy talk about mixed metaphors.12-28-12 02:29 PMLike 0
- Took a look at that data. Doesn't include any of Africa, none of Central/South America with exception of Brazil, most of Asia, even a lot of Eastern Europe. Plus RIM hasn't released a new high end phone in the entire time of that second compared cycle. It is known that RIM shipped out 7+ Million phones last quarter but end users bought 10+ Million (still clearing out overly high inventory of BBOS devices). These are old BBOS phones. Markets with heavy saturation of Android and iOS RIM is doing poorly in with the current dated offerings. Also how many people are still using BB in these markets and may be waiting for BB10 or coming towards the end of their contracts? The "Marketshare" numbers in this document is based on sales, not users, and majority of people can't buy multiple phones per year, much less even yearly. I'm actually impressed that RIM is still selling 10 Million devices in a quarter to end users give the age of the product line and the changes in the smartphone market. BB10 will give RIM a product offering that actually has a chance to compete in the mature markets shown in the link provided. In the end we'll have to see how 2013 plays out for RIM sales in the markets shown in this link though, as that will decided if RIM is really going to make a comeback with BB10.
If there are counter numbers of actual global sales, please do include them.
I posted numbers I found. Not making an argument either way nor giving reasons. Just numbers.
The reported erosion is more than I had anticipated.
Sent from my SEXY HOT RED SGIII using Tapatalk 2BergerKing likes this.12-28-12 03:15 PMLike 1 -
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- There are people that believe BB will disappear. I don't follow that line, but without an image revamp, they could become a bit player in the States, which would be a shame. I haven't folded the umbrella on them, and I know other users who are currently using other devices are willing to give them a chance. So, we roll in a little over a month from now with bated breath, cross our fingers, and whisper our prayers to whomever we call our higher power, for that miraculous sunrise to break and save us from the darkness.12-28-12 08:42 PMLike 0
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