[amazinglygraceless]

What about people that want to use a Blackberry and iphone or Android on the same SIM like me? I am using a Galaxy Nexus while waiting for BB10.

Um, get over it and find a plan b? Not sure what you want for an answer
outside of what has already been stated.

Or there's the other type of person who opts into switching to a standard data plan and tossing the BB into the drawer to collect dust.

If an average person just bought a brand new Galaxy S III which they use alongside their old BB Bold, which one do you think would get the boot if they were forced to make the choice?

Easy! The one that does not serves their individual needs.. For some that will be
the BlackBerry, for some it will be something else.

[Taktalok]

lol.........

[E92Vancouver]

Or there's the other type of person who opts into switching to a standard data plan and tossing the BB into the drawer to collect dust.

If an average person just bought a brand new Galaxy S III which they use alongside their old BB Bold, which one do you think would get the boot if they were forced to make the choice?

Exactly. Blackberry goes in the garbage.

So is Blaze trying to tell me that the networks are now ganging up on RIM? If so, they are done like dinner.

[dbmalloy]

Just a money grab by the carrier... will get worse when LTE get off the ground..... IIt is going to get reall expensive to play with out smaphones and tablets in the next couple of years...... The days of all inclusive plans are over.....

[E92Vancouver]

Um, get over it and find a plan b? Not sure what you want for an answer
outside of what has already been stated.



Easy! The one that does not serves their individual needs.. For some that will be
the BlackBerry, for some it will be something else.

Wel, I have been running an android, iphone and blackberry on the same SIM for 5 years now.

Oh, I would get over it. Blackberry gets tossed in a nano second.

This tells me the carriers are ganging up on RIM now. Talking the boots to a man down. Not very fair.

[Taktalok]

so RIM is kicking you out so they lose $5 and it gains Rogers $30 and Rim nothing? Canadian Carriers are borderline criminal lol

[southlander]

A better analogy is that you have this nice restaurant (RIM's network) but you make lousy food compared to your competitors (RIM's handsets). People buy food from other restaurants and eat it in your restaurant (RIM restaurant) that is losing money and market share. These people are paying you $5 to sit in your RIM restaurant. But even though you are losing money and market share, you kick out these customers who are willing to pay to sit in your restaurant.

The only thing saving RIM right now is subscriber fees.

I doubt any restaurant that is losing money would allow customers to bring in competitors' food and eat it. It is simply not acceptable policy and won't make or break them in the long run.

Sent from my flip-phone.

[tmelon]

Um, get over it and find a plan b? Not sure what you want for an answer
outside of what has already been stated.



Easy! The one that does not serves their individual needs.. For some that will be
the BlackBerry, for some it will be something else.

Or better yet the carrier/RIM could let things be as they are now and let people use both of their devices so they aren't faced with the choice of giving up their secure emails for a superior app selection or vice versa.

[E92Vancouver]

I doubt any restaurant that is losing money would allow customers to bring in competitors' food and eat it. It is simply not acceptable policy and won't make or break them in the long run.

Sent from my flip-phone.

RIM is getting $5 per month from non BB users on a BB data plan. It is free money. They have to do nothing.

If you had a restaurant that had bad food, but patrons came with food from other restaurants and you still made money off of liquor, as an owner, you would let it slide.

[tmelon]

RIM is getting $5 per month from non BB users on a BB data plan. It is free money. They have to do nothing.

If you had a restaurant that had bad food, but patrons came with food from other restaurants and you still made money off of liquor, as an owner, you would let it slide.

If the restaurant is referring to the carrier then they should be kissing my feet as I walk in the door. The customer is paying the restaurant over $70 a month so they should be able to eat any style of food they want.

[amazinglygraceless]

Or better yet the carrier/RIM could let things be as they are now and let people use both of their devices so they aren't faced with the choice of giving up their secure emails for a superior app selection or vice versa.

That is NOT the carriers problem. You want both of those scenarios, buy two
phones with two data plans. Or, sit here and whine about how the carriers,
RIM, and everyone else is trying to screw the little guy. Won't make it true
but hopefully, you'll feel better.

[tmelon]

That is NOT the carriers problem. You want both of those scenarios, buy two
phones with two data plans. Or, sit here and whine about how the carriers,
RIM, and everyone else is trying to screw the little guy. Won't make it true
but hopefully, you'll feel better.

And you can keep insisting that all is well while people continue to give up their BlackBerrys because carrier restrictions are putting an unnecessary hassle on BlackBerry users.

[menaknow]

RIM is getting $5 per month from non BB users on a BB data plan. It is free money. They have to do nothing.

If you had a restaurant that had bad food, but patrons came with food from other restaurants and you still made money off of liquor, as an owner, you would let it slide.

I can't believe what I am reading...

Your right, until now RIM would get $5 per month from a non BB user on a BB data plan

BUT

Rogers is paying $5 to RIM when it doesn't have too....

That is $5 bux that can go to Rogers...

$5 bux extra per user that can go to it's balance sheet for investors...

THINK ABOUT IT!

[E92Vancouver]

That is NOT the carriers problem. You want both of those scenarios, buy two
phones with two data plans. Or, sit here and whine about how the carriers,
RIM, and everyone else is trying to screw the little guy. Won't make it true
but hopefully, you'll feel better.

My Blackberry is a legacy device. I have it for nostalgic reasons but can drop it like the millions of others right now.

[Laura Knotek]

I don't see where there is any issue. I have AT&T, and I used to have a BIS plan. I got to keep unlimited data when I switched plans (had to anyway, since my new device uses a microSIM). It was no big deal to me.



If I were to switch back to a BlackBerry, I would just need to contact AT&T and get a BIS plan again.

I do not see where it is RIM's fault or the carrier's fault for a customer getting the appropriate data plan for his or her device.

[amazinglygraceless]

And you can keep insisting that all is well while people continue to give up their BlackBerrys because carrier restrictions are putting an unnecessary hassle on BlackBerry users.

First of all I am not insisting all is well, but I am also not insisting this stupid
issue is going to lead to a mass exodus of users sufficient to collapse the mighty
Research In Motion.

You are the one who seems to be sure of how every user that is NOT YOU
will view this and what they will do. Fact is you can only speak for yourself.
Try doing that.

[Rickroller]

I can't believe what I am reading...

Your right, until now RIM would get $5 per month from a non BB user on a BB data plan

BUT

Rogers is paying $5 to RIM when it doesn't have too....

That is $5 bux that can go to Rogers...

$5 bux extra per user that can go to it's balance sheet for investors...

THINK ABOUT IT!

This. Its all boiling down to Rogers not wanting to pay RIM $5 out of their own pocket for your non-BB on their network. I'm sure RIM would be happily collecting their $10 from the carriers for doing nothing..but despite what Rogers is saying (they'll put the blame anywhere else they can) it is totally their doing imo.

[canaris]

I can't believe this topic went on for 3 entire pages...

The message you received clearly says "please call us at 1 888 764-3771".

Google the number, and it leads you to Rogers Contact Number. The message is from Rogers.

The end.

[tmelon]

First of all I am not insisting all is well, but I am also not insisting this stupid
issue is going to lead to a mass exodus of users sufficient to collapse the mighty
Research In Motion.

You are the one who seems to be sure of how every user that is NOT YOU
will view this and what they will do. Fact is you can only speak for yourself.
Try doing that.

As can you. Some users like yourself are happy with one device, while others such as E92Vancouver are not. Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean that others who are affected shouldn't be against it.

By no means am I saying that this will single-handedly collapse RIM, but I'm also saying that their use of separate data plans and the restrictions that those include will be another obstacle to overcome on their road to recovery.

[amazinglygraceless]

As can you. Some users like yourself are happy with one device, while others such as E92Vancouver are not. Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean that others who are affected shouldn't be against it.

You just are not paying attention are you. I have 3 devices listed in
my profile and in this thread I already stated I am a device switcher.
(See Post #16)
I just don't b!tch and moan about what carriers, within their rights do.

By no means am I saying that this will single-handedly collapse RIM, but I'm also saying that their use of separate data plans and the restrictions that those include will be another obstacle to overcome on their road to recovery.

I've heard this before and it was a meaningless then as it is now. What happens
is people run around with their hair on fire, eventually calm the 'f down and move on.

[Laura Knotek]

Outside of smartphone enthusiast forums, such as all of the Mobile Nations forums, there are probably not many folks who own multiple devices and switch between those devices regularly.

The average customer who does have more than one device probably has a personal device on a personal plan and a work device on a plan paid for by his/her employer.

Those "typical" customers would not even notice this so-called "restriction".

[amazinglygraceless]

This reminds me of when AT&T announced they would perform data sweeps
to determine if users were using a smartphone that required a data plan and
if they did not have one would automatically add the appropriate plan.

Everyone predicted user outrage, mass defections and all manners of things
that by and large did not happen. This will be no different in my estimation.

[3xberry]

I used to respect this sight, but after viewing the constant dribble about how bad Berrys are and how bad RIM executive run the company...bla bla bla.
Holy crap! Give it a rest. If you dont like RIM or their product...Sell your stock in RIM and move on! Sell your Berry! Better yet! finish grade 12, get a degree in business, move to Ottawa and show them how to properly run a BILLION dollar multinational company...
Stop whining you cant use an iphone or Samsung on a RIM platform. Apple was built on propretory software and products.
Please remember, Blackberrys, Samsungs, iphones are just products. They are not kidneys and lungs. You will live without one!
They are not an extension of your personality. They are phones. They all make calls, they all send texts, play music, surf the web. They all work good.
I love my Blackberry products, but I also love my ipod and my Dell computer. This isnt a competition, its just stuff we use. Relax and try to say something positive, regardless of the brand.

[Jerky223]

...
Rogers users are getting this message on their bills:

You have subscribed to a BlackBerry data plan for use with your BlackBerry
device. We've noticed that you are now using a device that is not a BlackBerry, which is not compatible with your BlackBerry data plan. Effective July 16, 2012, you will no longer have data access on any device other than a BlackBerry. Please ensure that you use a BlackBerry device in order to continue to have data access. If you prefer to use a non-BlackBerry device, then please call us at 1 888 764-3771 and we'll be happy to switch you to another data plan that is compatible with that device. Thank you.

I called Rogers and asked them who is behind this. They told me RIM.

...

I work in the Wireless industry and this is a Rogers policy not a RIM policy. You would be seeing a lot more carriers and media outlets reporting this if it were RIM.

Carriers pay for BB NOC access and Rogers does not charge customers extra for BIS access when getting a bucket data plan. They have two data SOCs for data, one for BB and one for non-BB. If you ask for a BB data plan you can today use it with any phone for data. If you ask for iPhone, Android, anything other then BB, you don't get BIS access. This work-around has been documented on HoFo for years. So Rogers is now taking a stand to help the bottom line by not paying for something you are not using.

[tmelon]

You just are not paying attention are you. I have 3 devices listed in
my profile and in this thread I already stated I am a device switcher.
(See Post #16)
I just don't b!tch and moan about what carriers, within their rights do.

I saw that when you posted it. You said you would be happy with one device. Others are not.

I've heard this before and it was a meaningless then as it is now. What happens
is people run around with their hair on fire, eventually calm the 'f down and move on.

We can't predict what the result of all of this is going to be so let's just wait and see. In my opinion it won't be pretty, but we'll see.