Rogers claims RIM now kicking out subscribers and turning away money!
- A lot of blackberry users are dropping their berries for iphones and androids. But in order to keep their well priced legacy plans, they are just popping their SIM cards from their berries into their new phones.
RIM is wise to this and is now clamping down on non berries on their network. If they detect a non BB on their network, they will turn off the data that goes through their NOC.
Rogers users are getting this message on their bills:
You have subscribed to a BlackBerry data plan for use with your BlackBerry
device. We've noticed that you are now using a device that is not a BlackBerry, which is not compatible with your BlackBerry data plan. Effective July 16, 2012, you will no longer have data access on any device other than a BlackBerry. Please ensure that you use a BlackBerry device in order to continue to have data access. If you prefer to use a non-BlackBerry device, then please call us at 1 888 764-3771 and we'll be happy to switch you to another data plan that is compatible with that device. Thank you.
I called Rogers and asked them who is behind this. They told me RIM.
If RIM were to cut off non BB users on their network, this would be asinine because users would just get a normal Data Plan. RIM gets $5 per month from the network for each BB plan so they should just shut their mouth, collect the $5 a month and let the iphone/android users run data through the RIM network.
So now RIM is kicking out subscribers. How stupid are these guys?ontagenius likes this.07-25-12 09:01 PMLike 1 - Why should they provide the data if your not using their product? This isn't wrong. It's business. Would mc donalds let people eat burger King if the burgers were in big mac wrappers? You want blackberry data? Get a blackberry. The hardware and software are a package deal.07-25-12 09:09 PMLike 19
- amazinglygracelessRetired ModI'm not seeing a problem. RIM never intended for their data plan to be used
on anything other than their devices.
The onus here is on the user to use the correct equipment with the proper
service and failure to do so leaves them no basis to complain.07-25-12 09:10 PMLike 26 - amazinglygracelessRetired Mod
RIM is in the right here. End of story.07-25-12 09:13 PMLike 14 -
- First, RIM doesn't have a "network".
Second, you honestly believe Rogers? In your described scenario, Rogers pay $5 per month for your BIS plan to RIM. In turn, RIM has to provide you with nothing since you are not using BIS.
So RIM gets $5 for nothing, and Rogers pays $5 for nothing, yet you believe them when they tell you that RIM is behind all this? Wow...just wow07-25-12 09:17 PMLike 16 - You got BB plan for a reason. Why would they let a non BB phone on their server. They pay for it, not apple or android. One of the key reasons people pick BB is for security, so why would they provide it on another phone for even 5$. They would make more from selling their phones, not making 5$ from each subscriber.bungaboy likes this.07-25-12 09:19 PMLike 1
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There are plenty of people who use BlackBerrys alongside other smartphones. When people can freely swap between Windows Phones, iPhones and Androids while BlackBerry users are stuck to one device it makes them even more alienated from their competitors.
Sure RIM wants to keep it's monthly plan for BlackBerry users only, but starting it in a down time for the company isn't the best idea. I don't see why there has to be a BlackBerry plan for BlackBerrys and not just a standard data plan like every other smartphone has.E92Vancouver and Fr3lncr like this.07-25-12 09:22 PMLike 2 - I always assumed if you had a BB with a BB plan you can access BIS but if you put your SIM in a non-BB you will not be able to access the BIS servers because your non-BB lacks the software to access BIS.
As already mentioned it would be Rogers sending the email not RIM because they are paying for a service you are not accessing because the non-BB cannot access BIS.
Sent from my BlackBerry 9700 using Tapatalkbungaboy likes this.07-25-12 09:26 PMLike 1 - I always assumed if you had a BB with a BB plan you can access BIS but if you put your SIM in a non-BB you will not be able to access the BIS servers because your non-BB lacks the software to access BIS.
As already mentioned it would be Rogers sending the email not RIM because they are paying for a service you are not accessing because the non-BB cannot access BIS.
Sent from my BlackBerry 9700 using Tapatalkfanatical likes this.07-25-12 09:32 PMLike 1 - amazinglygracelessRetired Mod
pushed anyone away and it is completely impossible to tell whether this
action will.
Nothing about this, not RIMs present financial condition, delays to market,
beating in the press, etc... puts them in the wrong.
I'd do? I'd leave my SIM in the BB and not b!tch about it.07-25-12 09:36 PMLike 2 - Bla1zeCB OGHappens everyday in the U.S. again, not even a RIM issue. It's strictly a carrier preference issue. In this case, I suspect it is because Rogers has A LOT of users on a 6GB BB data plans and now that they are offering a new 6GB which requires a data contract, they're kicking folks off to force them onto the new 6GB non-BB data which in turn, would renew their data contract with Rogers unless customers put up a stink. I know because I have two lines and wanted to swap one of my 6GB BB plans to a normal 6GB data plan and they wouldn't allow me without another data contract and I wasn't in the mood to argue it with retentions so I kept the 6GB BB data plan.bungaboy likes this.07-25-12 09:39 PMLike 1
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I use my Blackberry a few times a week for biking, hiking, boating, etc.
Hopefully, the RIM system only flags inactivity after say 30 days.07-25-12 09:40 PMLike 0 - Why should they provide the data if your not using their product? This isn't wrong. It's business. Would mc donalds let people eat burger King if the burgers were in big mac wrappers? You want blackberry data? Get a blackberry. The hardware and software are a package deal.
The only thing saving RIM right now is subscriber fees.07-25-12 09:44 PMLike 0 - What about people that want to use a Blackberry and iphone or Android on the same SIM like me? I am using a Galaxy Nexus while waiting for BB10.07-25-12 09:46 PMLike 0
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If an average person just bought a brand new Galaxy S III which they use alongside their old BB Bold, which one do you think would get the boot if they were forced to make the choice?E92Vancouver likes this.07-25-12 09:47 PMLike 1 - First, RIM doesn't have a "network".
Second, you honestly believe Rogers? In your described scenario, Rogers pay $5 per month for your BIS plan to RIM. In turn, RIM has to provide you with nothing since you are not using BIS.
So RIM gets $5 for nothing, and Rogers pays $5 for nothing, yet you believe them when they tell you that RIM is behind all this? Wow...just wow
When I said I want to keep my old plan like I am currently doing, that works with my Galaxy Nexus, Rogers said RIM is going to shut down that loop hole on August 20th.
If Rogers is behind this, I will switch to Telus or Bell out of protest.07-25-12 09:50 PMLike 0 -
- Happens everyday in the U.S. again, not even a RIM issue. It's strictly a carrier preference issue. In this case, I suspect it is because Rogers has A LOT of users on a 6GB BB data plans and now that they are offering a new 6GB which requires a data contract, they're kicking folks off to force them onto the new 6GB non-BB data which in turn, would renew their data contract with Rogers unless customers put up a stink. I know because I have two lines and wanted to swap one of my 6GB BB plans to a normal 6GB data plan and they wouldn't allow me without another data contract and I wasn't in the mood to argue it with retentions so I kept the 6GB BB data plan.07-25-12 09:57 PMLike 0
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