[JamesT9800]

The media, market and other government organs are being used to bring RIMM down because of this.

Can't see why nobody else hasn't figured it out yet.

[lewis71980]

Blackberry users are harder to track for things like email marketing as it doesen't download the images by default.

Sent from my BlackBerry Runtime for Android Apps using Tapatalk 2

[kbz1960]

Tin foil hat on. Would not surprise me one bit. They want to know everything in the name of national security. Farce.

[LeenaNag]

Samsung, Apple or Nokia don't seem to have an answer to Blackberry, especially BBM. The sales have been great, which has been surprising for a few!

[Denise in Los Angeles]

[jamezalexander]

BlackBerry encryption 'too secure': National security vs. consumer privacy | ZDNet


This talk is real. And I mean more the thread than the link about**

[jthep]

While I wouldn't be surprised there are ulterior motives for the media, competitors, or governments to want RIM to fail, they are not the reason Blackberry smartphones have declined substantially in market share, RIM is to blame for that for really something as simple as "Keeping up with the Jones's".

While Apple, Samsung, HTC, Motorola, etc. were pushing the envelope on technology in smartphone hardware and Apple and Google were constantly trying to outduel each other in OS software, RIM sat on their hands and released things like the Blackberry Style, a clamshell flip phone or released other phones that were well behind the tech curve when they launched or had frustrating user experiences in media/games or didn't listen to what the consumer wanted in apps.

RIM then would make outrageous statements and strategies here in America. Calling the Torch 9800 an "iPhone killer" right around when the iPhone 4 launched and at the time decided to just put it on ATT, the only US carrier at the time that had the iPhone? Poor business strategy there and delusional statements. Also the Torch 9800, which IMHO was an excellent device was well behind the iPhone4 in tech specs and consumer functionality.

RIM makes statements like "Amateur hour is over" when describing the Playbook vs. the iPad? All while the Playbook got panned by tech critics and took many months to fine tune?

Now RIM has new leadership and they are deciding to release an all touch BB10 device and no QWERTY keyboard device at launch? Not even showing any tangible commitment to their longtime fans with a QWERTY BB10 BB? Also no more trackpads or berry buttons?

RIM can't get out of their own way. I am getting the Bold 9900 and enjoy a polished device with things on it that I want. The BB10 London just isn't for me and with no QWERTY keyboard BB10 device announced and probably none even really deep in development, I am gonna stick with BB7 for the next 2 years. My Bold 9900 is coming next week...

[Thunderbuck]

@Jthep RIM has committed to a keyboard BB10 device for Q1 calendar 2013.

[spencerdl]

This wouldn't/doesn't surprise me one bit. The USA is a very controlling force and extremely NOSY (UNDULY CURIOUS ABOUT THE AFFAIRS OF OTHERS; PRYING; MEDDLESOME)

[jthep]

Have we seen anything on it? It probably won't have a trackpad or a berry button. Have you used the remote control option on the Playbook via bridge using the Blackberry trackpad to have a moving cursor? It makes every website work better on a tablet, even sites that using a touch interface are tougher to use, work like real sites using a cursor via the trackpad on the Blackberry.

Why do I bring this up? BB10 is going to be most similar to what we are seeing on the Playbook. Navigating on a 7'' touch screen for certain sites is frustrating, simply bc the real sites weren't built for a touch interface. Using a trackpad solves that, but it doesn't appear RIM will have trackpads on their BB10 devices based on what we are seeing in the Beta device which I guess will be the London.

It might take years before RIM gets BB10 right to where I want to use it. But BB7 right now is delivering what I want in a BB.

[alnamvet68]

All the more reasons to lose the toys and go for the Bold Gold!

[berklon]

So the governments were forcing RIM to release sub-par products that lag the competition the last few years? Or is RIM in on this conspiracy as well?

[Ricktye]

Maybe a foolish question, by why in the heck would you visit a Blackberry forum and bad mouth RIM? Are you seriously that bored and looking that hard for an argument? Just wondering what are you and your buds thinking? Are you that insecure with your iPhones and 'Droids?

R...

So the governments were forcing RIM to release sub-par products that lag the competition the last few years? Or is RIM in on this conspiracy as well?

[Tre Lawrence]

Makes complete sense for the US Government to destroy RIM, even as its agencies approve more RIM devices to use. Yes.

In related news, I hear that Klingon population growth is slowing due to the introduction of life forms that altered their fragile ecosystem.

*Sigh* Gotta love the newbies...

[dbmalloy]

Hmmm... one whole post and a very "provacative" statement... I smell troll.....

[kbz1960]

Well of course the governments want them for themselves. They don't want the masses to have them. And yes RIM did enough to hurt their own self.

[pmccartney]

So the governments were forcing RIM to release sub-par products that lag the competition the last few years? Or is RIM in on this conspiracy as well?

For my needs I don't consider my BB to be sub-par to any smartphone . Different strokes...

[vtpmt81]

Maybe a foolish question, by why in the heck would you visit a Blackberry forum and bad mouth RIM? Are you seriously that bored and looking that hard for an argument? Just wondering what are you and your buds thinking? Are you that insecure with your iPhones and 'Droids?

R...

He didn't bash RIM, he stated that he believes RIM caused their own problems.

The OP made an unfounded statement blaming the US government for RIM's slump and potential downfall. First of all, the media is not controlled by the government in the US. Some stations like Fox News lean Republican, etc but Congress is not telling CNN to bash RIM.

RIM's problem is that they have not issued a phone with industry leading specs since the Bold 9000 in 2008 and they don't have many popular apps and features like video chat and media streaming.

It seems like RIM is fixing a lot of these issues with BB10 but it remains to be seen where the company will be in a few years. We all want RIM to make it and do well because a strong RIM is good for Canada and for the US.

[Eumaeus]

So the U.S. government was fine when RIM was at the top of the world, with a dominant share of the market. But once innumerable credible competitors showed up, and RIM entered a very difficult, prolonged period of transition, then the government decided to invest vast resources in a conspiracy to bring them down?

And no one has blown the whistle on this?

Bill Clinton couldn't canoodle an intern in his own office, guarded by the Secret Service, without the whole world finding out, but "The Government" can suborn all major news outlets to lie about a Canadian phone company, and everyone involved keeps the secret perfectly?

This is pathetic. I'm pathetic, quite frankly, for responding to this idiocy. I would apologize to all smart people, except that every smart person reading this is just as foolish as me for having followed this thread onto the second page.

I am fascinated by the unfolding story of RIM, a technology giant in the middle of very dangerous, difficult times. I am interested in RIM as an innovator in the mobile information revolution, as a potential competitor to Android and Apple, and as a potential platform for application development, and as a parable of business in the 21st century. Nonsense like this conspiracy theory contributes nothing to anyone's understanding of the present or the future.

[kbz1960]

Oh it's fun to speculate, it's only a forum. Wouldn't surprise me the government wants to keep it to themselves if they can't spy on your communication.

Great now they have my IP and will be coming after me.

[berklon]

For my needs I don't consider my BB to be sub-par to any smartphone . Different strokes...

And that's fine. There are people who consider their dumb-phones adequate for what they need also. But we're talking about the average consumer - and they're voting with their wallets by purchasing iPhones and Android devices.

[palomartian]

While I wouldn't be surprised there are ulterior motives for the media, competitors, or governments to want RIM to fail, they are not the reason Blackberry smartphones have declined substantially in market share, RIM is to blame for that for really something as simple as "Keeping up with the Jones's".

While Apple, Samsung, HTC, Motorola, etc. were pushing the envelope on technology in smartphone hardware and Apple and Google were constantly trying to outduel each other in OS software, RIM sat on their hands and released things like the Blackberry Style, a clamshell flip phone or released other phones that were well behind the tech curve when they launched or had frustrating user experiences in media/games or didn't listen to what the consumer wanted in apps.

RIM then would make outrageous statements and strategies here in America. Calling the Torch 9800 an "iPhone killer" right around when the iPhone 4 launched and at the time decided to just put it on ATT, the only US carrier at the time that had the iPhone? Poor business strategy there and delusional statements. Also the Torch 9800, which IMHO was an excellent device was well behind the iPhone4 in tech specs and consumer functionality.

RIM makes statements like "Amateur hour is over" when describing the Playbook vs. the iPad? All while the Playbook got panned by tech critics and took many months to fine tune?

Now RIM has new leadership and they are deciding to release an all touch BB10 device and no QWERTY keyboard device at launch? Not even showing any tangible commitment to their longtime fans with a QWERTY BB10 BB? Also no more trackpads or berry buttons?

RIM can't get out of their own way. I am getting the Bold 9900 and enjoy a polished device with things on it that I want. The BB10 London just isn't for me and with no QWERTY keyboard BB10 device announced and probably none even really deep in development, I am gonna stick with BB7 for the next 2 years. My Bold 9900 is coming next week...

My sentiments exactly. Calling the 9800 an iPhone killer, if indeed as much was voiced, is evidence RIM deserves to die. Though more slowly and painfully than appears to be forthcoming. Has no one at RIM ever used an iPhone? Holy crap. It takes the 9800's lunch money and kicks it in the taco. You made that up, right?

[kbz1960]

Link on RIM stating it was an iphone killer please.

[berklon]

Maybe a foolish question, by why in the heck would you visit a Blackberry forum and bad mouth RIM? Are you seriously that bored and looking that hard for an argument? Just wondering what are you and your buds thinking? Are you that insecure with your iPhones and 'Droids?

We're talking about issues with RIM - I'm just being honest with what's going on.
I'd love RIM to succeed, but the odds are slim and they keep screwing up along the way.

FYI, I don't own an iPhone, Android or WP7 phone - so I don't have any insecurities or a dog in this fight.

[Tre Lawrence]

To be fair, I did hear that the "government" had joined with Netflix, Skype, Verizon's CEO and the UN to bring RIM to its knees.

My bad, forgot the media and Steve Jobs.