- 01-05-13, 12:44 AM #126
- 01-05-13, 12:52 AM #127
25 days , sure would be great to have EVERYBODY on board!
- 01-05-13, 02:41 AM #128
There has been more stupidly reported posts from this thread then all other threads in the past little while. Guess what? Not everyone who has a difference of opinion is a troll. Not everyone who has a difference of opinion is insulting you. Not everyone who has a difference of opinion is attacking you. Is it so hard to have a civil difference of opinion these days? At the end of the day, you're arguing about phones.. yes, phones. Think about that.. arguing about.. phones.
- 01-05-13, 05:05 AM #129
I'm a newbie, but I have two BB devices and I didn't buy them the last week. The truth is I should have changed my phone last spring, but I wasn't critical about Rim's statements about the Fall and I've been patiently waiting for the new phones under bb10 (which is rather nice to start). Then I found out the delays and I still made the choice to wait, which is even more nice, because I still pay money to Rim, maintain their subscribers base that provide them cash, and I didn't pay my money to the concurrent like others did in my case.
Well, now I just don't get why I shouldn't be able to say it, because it is supposed to be "yesterday" (it is still my every day).
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- 01-05-13, 08:36 AM #132
I would question whether "negative opinion" even exists. Having an opinion is a positive condition, so what is a negative opinion? If you mean RIM-hostile opinion, members are allowed to have whatever opinion they wish, and state their opinions while remaining within forum rules. That means not illegal stuff, not race/religion/political hate, not off-topic thread hijacking. From that it follows that the same expression of opinion could be an excellent post in one thread, but in different thread it could be provocation trollery.
- 01-05-13, 08:45 AM #133
Re: Maybe I am Paranoid but I see them Trolling
RIM burnt bridges. The fact that people like Q or I can consider giving them a chance again with a BB10 device speaks to their original goodwill that they squandered. However, endless sunshine and lollipops? Not sure I'd want an all fanboy all the time board. One could make the argument that people who can be critical yet still see the positive are the exact type of fans these companies need.
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- 01-05-13, 08:51 AM #134
- 01-05-13, 10:04 AM #139
I look forward to your future posts/articles (as per your most recent podcast) in regards to cracking down on the numerous negative ill informed
articles/tech writers floating around out there, cracks some whips, I'm 110% behind you as I'm sure many others are!
BB10 just around the corner, WOOT WOOT, so excited RIM under Thor is doing so many positive things!
- 01-05-13, 11:12 AM #140
when you talk about letting go off the past, you do not take into account that RIM hasnt done anything to show that we do need to let go off the past. building blackberry 10 does not mean RIM has learnt and is a new company. RIM did all that before. How RIM acts after Blackberry 10, will determine that.
you do not learn from past mistakes by forgetting them.
I understand you're enthusiastic about the company and thats great. I believe under the new leadership RIM can turn things around. But i will be wary until i see signs of them not falling into the same routine again.
So far things seem good, and i can not wait until BB10. but i will not forget the past mistakes, because they are still relevant, and to be labelled as having "yesterday" syndrome is frankly insulting. RIM will not redeem themselves with Blackberry 10, they will only redeem themselves by keeping up with the market and improving Blackberry 10. And i may even forget the past mistakes if RIM manage to lead the market in terms of progression.
This is how i see it, and many others, and this does not mean we do not support blackberry, it just means we wont do it blindly. Words are cheap, action is everything. Things are going in the right direction, but there's still a long way to go!
Also i acknowledge there are a few negative ill informed posts in this forum, but they are not as numerous as i'd have imagined. I also look forward to the crackdown on trolling as i have faith that Kevin will not enforce a censorship, but merely get rid of the flame-bait posts.
anyways, only 25 days to go
- 01-05-13, 11:17 AM #141
in all honesty, i find constant overly positive posts that cant acknowledge the past more annoying, it was that very attitude that put RIM in this mess. nothing wrong with enthusiasm, but dont try and rewrite history, and dont denounce people who choose to remember and are still waiting to see if RIM have learnt. support doesnt mean it has to be blind support
- 01-05-13, 11:18 AM #142
- 01-05-13, 12:05 PM #143
Re: Maybe I am Paranoid but I see them Trolling
Darkhawke, You have touched on what I value. What is important to me is not the promise of improvement; rather it's measurable and empirical evidence of improvement. I wait until Q3 for that evidence when it comes to the market. I also wait for the day the Z10 is in my hand with the apps I want for evidence of my own personal definition of improvement.
Until that day, all there is with which to look at RIM are the present devices, the lack of apps, the present stock situation, and past deteriorating performance.
Can't bank today on future unrealised performance and call a turnaround. Not until evidence is in that such a turnaround has happened.
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- 01-05-13, 12:32 PM #144
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- 01-05-13, 12:54 PM #146
Dont get me wrong, Blackberry for me does what i need far superior to what an Android or iOS device can do, but overall for the market that isnt the case.
i dont comment solely from my point of view, but i also look at the overall view.
i want RIM to succeed, i want to use a blackberry in the future
- 01-05-13, 01:00 PM #147
- 01-05-13, 01:08 PM #148
- 01-05-13, 01:13 PM #149
Past is done with ie.
1) Thor cleaned house, new upper management
2) Thor increased cash position and cut fat, when media pundits said otherwise over and over
3) Thor and Team Blackberry are read to drop a whole NEW O/S Jan 30 2013 , well ahead of other older O/S's out there
4) Dev's are excited
5) Carriers are excited
6) Many consumers are excited [did you see Kevin bouncing around << excited ]
7). Wads of $$$$$ for marketing standing by, ready to EXPLODE!
That and so much more makes their "position" very very good indeed, going forward of course.
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- 01-05-13, 01:13 PM #150
The big picture is not about just you, me, or any one individual here. It's about what the market demands. For RIM to succeed, they need to be able to appeal to them. Some here may not care for apps, cloud integration, high quality cameras etc, but the people who do, have spoken with their wallets and RIM's troubles as of late indicates this. For that reason, we should all care that they are going to be available, as the future of BlackBerry is dependent on it.
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