- 01-04-13, 07:50 PM #101
I'm sure everybody has had a friend (obviously friend is generic,could be anybody) at one time that goes on and on about their past "yesterday" relationship( past negative view of RIM), you meet them at parties sometimes, and boy are they ever a downer,lol.( a simple metaphor that anybody can relate to)
Making more sense yet?( just explained why I'm not in a state of denial as I was told I was)
(the above post is what got me an infraction for harrassment,everything in brackets has been added for clarity AFTER the infraction. No place in this post have I mentioned ANY poster, the post is meant as a metaphor)
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- 01-04-13, 08:41 PM #108
- 01-04-13, 09:08 PM #110
Big difference in criticizing vets and noobs in my view as of late. Vets criticize (usually) in existing threads, where noobs start new ones as I seem to observed (not as a rule, but in most cases, because surely someone will come along and refute that statement).
My post surely count doesn't reflect it, but I've been here longer than most non-mod active posters (May 2008). The vets who criticize were once BB owners, and kinda have room to be critical, where the noobs who come in being critical just fit a different criteria. Their either perma-banned and starting new accounts, or strait up trolls. Do we really think that these noobs coming in offering their "constructive criticism" have just gone out and purchased a new BB, and are here to tell us how terrible it is?
Just my simple way of breaking it down....
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- 01-04-13, 09:29 PM #111
You says "vets" have more room to be critical(of RIm) yet that is exactly where my whole thrust of posts was , trying to draw that distinction should not hold in practical mind think. I used as many metaphors as I could because I had no intention of singling out ANY poster individually, it's the "group think" that I was posting to, then I get engaged by "vet/s" who obviously take it personal.
You know it's kind of ironic and a catch-22 when, as you say "vets" are more critical of RIM, what is the upside to that? You don't think the "group think" that is positive on RIM is turned off by the negative "vet" group think?
It should NOT be a prerequisite to be negative on RIM to be positive on RIM, "vets"(elders aside).
Seems I got caught up in the cross hairs.
- 01-04-13, 10:14 PM #113
There is no war jakie.
I have nothing personal against any poster, it's totally different from that.
I just get the distinct impression some "vets" (no one person/s individually) will not be happy with the noobs (myself included) unless/until noobs prescribe to the same group think (vets being around when RIM did bad to them in some way/s).
Here we are 25 days from launch yet still you can still hear the group think (RIM did bad to them in some way/s), this coming from "vets" (no one person/s individually).
Yet these are the same "vets" (no one person/s individually) who complain about outside negative media. You think the media does not read Crackberry.com to get a pulse in what direction they will write. It's a self fufilling prophecy if a "vet" (no one person/s individually) keeps bringing up RIM past and yet complains when the media mirrors same.
I mean what's to lose by putting aside RIM's past and let Jan 30 2013 roll out , certainly can't be pride to lose, can it?
- 01-04-13, 10:18 PM #114
To argue that things are different at RIM now, one first needs to accept a few hard truths about where they've been: 1) the company was driven into the weeds by a dangerous combination of complacency and hubris, 2) that customers have grown increasingly frustrated with RIM's operating system as it's grown long in the tooth and 3) that the PlayBook launch wasn't just flawed, it was a train wreck, and a slow-moving one at that because the dust didn't really settle until close to a year later.
I agree, this is all ancient history, more or less, but you also need to accept that the vast majority of people don't follow RIM as closely as this community does. They actually DON'T know that anything's changed. And we seem to see threads started almost daily that bemoan that BB10 couldn't possibly be that good and that it's "too little, too late". The approach you imply we should take is to dismiss such sentiments as mindless negativity and urge the user to move on. Personally, I prefer to be less dismissive and acknowledge that while RIM has definitely had some issues to work out, it shows a lot of promise now.
Absolutely none of what I just said relates to why you got an infraction. You demonstrated a lack of tolerance for points of view that you didn't agree with, and your tone became defensive and patronizing. There are a great many people on CB that I don't agree with for a great many reasons, and I'll defend my points of view vigorously when I feel it's warranted. But you'd be hard pressed to find anyone on this site who would accuse me of insulting them.
- 01-04-13, 10:23 PM #115
quicky clarification, post count does not qualify noob vs vet.
Bottom line, there is not a prerequisite to be positive or negative. This should be a place of knowledge sharing. Tips tricks and shortcuts, theme and hybrid OS sharing, BB photo contests, article writing as I used to do for another BB website.....so on and so forth.....
Vets who are former BB owners, and still contributing CB members defending their current platform have room to be critical. RIM clearly dropped he ball on them. Maybe they just felt forced to switch. Maybe they're a little resentful, because they likely enjoyed the intuitiveness of their old BlackBerrys, but wanted the rich app experience as well. Doesn't mean they don't like the platform, they just like their new one better.
The trouble is, the new thread button might have well said "New Blog", as it felt as though the forum become a sounding board for both sides hard feelings. Not to be mistaken for trolling. Trolling is another matter all on its own. They are not vets. The average veteran member of the forum accused of trolling is not a troll, they just allowed their emotions to get the best of them, as I have myself on a few occurrence (pre BBX rumors).
Forum trolls are real, do what they do intentionally, and like anything else evolve as enforcement catches on. Think I'm kidding, read this; wikihow If you don't want trolls on the board, don't feed them. Mods keep us in line, but we can keep the trolls at bay by not giving them the fights they're looking for (like I goofed up a did today, Hey, like I said, they're evolving)
- 01-04-13, 11:02 PM #119
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- 01-04-13, 11:14 PM #121
Clearly theres points to be made on both sides. Valid points no doubt!
I never saw anyone go over the edge in this thread, but i'm not a mod.
We all enjoy this forum for similar reasons, lets continue!
Sounds like a bit of perlaunch jitteres! A lot of this will be cleared up by Jan 30th
- 01-04-13, 11:27 PM #125
1) I didn't report you. If a mod issued an infraction, it didn't require any "convincing" from me.
2) I don't think I "misunderstood" you at all. You adopted an offensive tone and it came across as clear and deliberate. To suggest I "misunderstood" is kind of like those fake-apologies where a politician stands up and says "I'm sorry if you were offended by what I said" when he should REALLY be saying "I'm sorry I said it."
If you're going to adopt an offensive tone and make personal attacks, own it, try to learn from it, and move on. Don't try to assume the moral high ground and claim that your right to self-expression has been stifled in some way.
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