- 01-02-2013, 08:58 AM #26Everyone, everyone, stop fighting! Look unto me! I possess the blue flag! I wield the power infinite! The universal fabric is mine to unravel! My every thought becomes reality! Mountains will fall! Seas will boil! Day will be at night! People will...run...chicks'll dig me!Thanked by:
- 01-02-2013, 10:11 AM #28
I don't think that it's a good thing to close the eyes on the critics, I think that a company can develop only in touch with clients, supporters and their critics...Apple has already shown us their "I never have any problem, if you have a problem, then the problem is you" and things do not turn at their advantage.
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- 01-02-2013, 10:27 AM #29
Maybe I am Paranoid but I see them Trolling
There appears to be the very mistaken impression that support means complete buy in to everything a company does and absolute defence of its practices. Sort of like the tale of the emperor's new clothes.Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons; dragonslayers are crunchy, and good with ketchup
- 01-02-2013, 10:47 AM #30
OP yes you are right. There are a lot of similarly worded threads started by new members. Even your wording of being a long time lurker has been brought up in several new threads.BB10 Powered by QNX RTOS.
- 01-02-2013, 10:57 AM #31
Ah but they did....the ill fated Storm (which I never used but is legendary in its criticism, as lnichols mentioned), the 9800 Torch (which I own and I loved at the time until I gave an Atrix a good open minded try) and the Playbook (which did not in fact turn out to prove that amateur hour was over) were all late and poorly executed responses to market leaders.
I know....I know that we have a new RIM about to prove to the world that it still has the chops to be an industry leader. But look at the almost straight vertical decline its stock has suffered, look at the almost universal absence of devices on store shelves. I had to tell a rep several times that yes, I indeed wanted to buy a 9370 cash, before she relented and got me a box. And even when I go to an AT&T store, which has been somewhat BB friendly, there are three lonely devices sitting way in the back. At Verizon you don't even see a Playbook. All these things are a direct result in late movement and poor execution.
In my opinion. Yours may differ.Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons; dragonslayers are crunchy, and good with ketchup
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01-02-2013, 12:08 PM #33
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Re: Maybe I am Paranoid but I see them Trolling
I mean, I'm only about a week old user of CrackBerry, and I think that what I say is usefull. Supposedly there are trolls. But wherever you go, there always will be.Josh - Curve 9320 & PlayBook 64GB - BlackBerry Enthusiast - CrackBerry Addict - PlayBook Sideloader
- 01-02-2013, 01:22 PM #34
I remember when I got my 8310. It was fun, there was energy. I got my 9000 on a whim while I was on travel in California and I just *had* to buy it, cash, during a lunch hour. I ordered my 9700 online and took part in the virtual party here on CB, there was SUCH excitement. Then I remember the excitement over the first 9800....HUGE displays in the stores. By the time the 9810 came around there was only a whisper of the excitement and I had to tell the salesperson that YES, INDEED, IT COMES IN WHITE. When I bought my 9900 I was incredulously asked "Really? a 9900?" When I got my 9370 I had to literally emphatically state that YES I DO IN FACT WANT A 9370, CASH. When I asked about a PB at Verizon I was told "we don't support that." When I got my 9860 I had a fun dicussion as to the death of RIM and the dropping of the casket into the ground and why was I willing to dish out cash on a device that wasn't going to be supported because the company wouldn't see out the year.
It has been a steep and painful decline. Let's see what happens Q3 2013.Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons; dragonslayers are crunchy, and good with ketchup
- 01-02-2013, 01:30 PM #35
What a lot of people immediately classify as 'negative posts' towards RIM on this forum, I see as well worded criticisms from users of the products. The blatant trolls just posting nonsense are few and far between. The issue is there are a lot of overly sensitive users on this forum who jump all over ANY posts they see as negative (whether it's constructive or not) with all kinds of venom. A lot of them take it a step further by lashing out at every non-RIM products and users of non-RIM products on this forum as some kind of retaliation. I am not a long time member compared to most, but this is the problem I have seen since joining. It leads to a hostile atmosphere in general.
As for the last month or so? I'd say I see a lot of positive posts about RIM, and slightly less bashing of other products and consumers. I think the forums have been more positive in general in the last month or so after the Trolling PSA's were posted.
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- 01-02-2013, 07:29 PM #37
- 01-03-2013, 02:37 AM #39
I've got the scars to prove it.
Every last sttement that I have made in this thread is fact, and yet......Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons; dragonslayers are crunchy, and good with ketchup
- 01-03-2013, 02:46 AM #40
But they're cute scars.....It's too bad that we cannot be objective about the things we like. It's like if we like them, and others do not, then we are not validated. WHAT????they are things, and not our whole personna or raison detre. Lets all learn to get along, and R*E*S*P*E*C*T each other. THat is all.Q 10 for the win!
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- 01-03-2013, 03:31 AM #41
You'll definitely see an uptick in trolling on launch week... we certainly did in WP8-land.
Some of the threads they start can be (intentionally) hilarious, like "My Lumia 920 caught fire and almost brought down the plane I was a passenger on" or "I cannot get Windows Media Player working right on my Windows Mobile 8."
- CrackBerry Genius
01-03-2013, 04:58 AM #42
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As far as those people who call out the trollier posts being overly sensitive, it seems to me that there are far more reasoned and reasonable posts coming in response to the various tantrums than venom as you have decided to mislabel them.
- 01-03-2013, 07:46 AM #43
Again, as I mentioned in my previous posts though IMO things have gotten a lot better in the last couple of months since there were some sticky threads on trolling posted. I especially see a lot less references to robots and sheep, and I don't see many random RIM troll posts. I think the atmosphere is much more positive than when I joined this forum.
As for repetitive posts.... does anyone have to participate in them? The best way to make a post go away is to just not post in it. Posts that aren't active die. It's a discussion forum though. If you start telling people not to start threads, then it won't be a very active one.
- 01-03-2013, 08:04 AM #44
Re: Maybe I am Paranoid but I see them TrollingDo not meddle in the affairs of dragons; dragonslayers are crunchy, and good with ketchup
- 01-03-2013, 08:45 AM #45
I truly hope that with BB10 they don't let the carriers dictate to them like they have in the past (my Bold 9900 still doesn't have NFC available on T-Mobile because they had RIM disable it and I'm not going to do hybrid OS's), and cater to the end user and not carrier demands, which would in turn let the store flunkies say "it doesn't do this", when the possible reason it doesn't do that thing is because the carrier made RIM disable it.
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01-03-2013, 08:49 AM #46
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As far as a discussion forum needing a lot of threads to be active, is it more active if it has half a dozen threads all covering the same blurry pics or if there was one larger thread that covered the panicking and tantrums all in one?
- 01-03-2013, 08:54 AM #47
Yes, you are a bit paranoid! Just use the tools folks, if you see trolling, or personal attacks, report them, use the triangle with the ! or the [!!] (on mobile)
- 01-03-2013, 09:09 AM #48
Don't know if anybody realizes this, but trolls aren't going away. As I understand it, they have their own forums where they talk about the stuff they stirred up elsewhere. And to join said group, you have to be able to point to meaningless arguments previously incited.
As long as trolls have the identity cover of cyber space, they will always be a nuisance. They can be kept at bay, (as we do in another forum I've modded for a few years) and they eventually just move on to other places where the fight is easier. Take the path of least resistance essentially. Like my local newspaper. They are the softest, most lax policed site, and it carries to most visceral talk on the web in my opinion. You live with and deserve what your willing to tolerate basically.
If you're not a mod, just don't argue with the clearly provoking post, ignore them and encourage others to do the same. Be crafty in your comments if you must respond, but just don't give them reason to report back to their buddies in triumph over inciting you to anger. It just keeps them returning for more of their own pleasure.Personal - VZW BlackBerry Z10 - 10.2.1.537
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01-03-2013, 09:18 AM #49
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Re: Maybe I am Paranoid but I see them Trolling
I've seen no evidence that RIM comes to CrackBerry fourms to find any answers.
As for the enormity of RIM's task... sorry but you do know that in 2006 we didn't even know what an iPhone was and Androids were in sci-fi movies, whereas a BlackBerry was THE smartphone. So do you think they have done a good job??????
I would really love it if RIM released a PLATFORM (not just a device) that could compete. And maybe BB10 will be the start of that! I'm still waiting to be convinced, have only seen pieces of the puzzle - I hope that by the end of the month the rest will come together to complete the WHOLE.Thanked by:
- 01-03-2013, 10:00 AM #50Sent from me using my fingers. Be pantless in 5K. Febreze - for more than smells.
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