Markets are cyclical, I just hope BB can hold out until it is their turn again.
- We all know this, trends com and go and come again. What once was big is now small, only to grow again.
Apple was the bomb before, then they kicked out Jobs, and they tanked. They came back under his guidance, and now where are they now that he is gone.......
iPhone sinks as Android seizes market share | Fox News
Microsoft could do no wrong in the 90's and even though they still dominate in the desktop market, there public perception is horrible. Most of the people I know hate Micorsoft and anything that they touch.
BlackBerry invented the smartphone, and anyone that was anyone had a BlackBerry. Right now Android is dominating the market, both in specs, UI, hardware, creativity, everything! Now I don't want to hear about how specs really don't matter and that BB10is better, blah blah blah. The lay person, which is the vast majority of the market believes this, and when they walk in to a store for an upgrade they see specs, and apps and base there purchase on that. I am all in for BB, I have almost 40 lines, BESX, and am upgrading to BES10 when I feel 100% confident that BB is in it for the long haul. I love the security, I love the qwerty, peak and flow are just plain awesome!!! But I am not the norm, and most CB readers are not either, truly very few people on any of the Talk Mobile sites will every change from the die hard fan that they currently are. So BB needs to blow the doors off the people that don't visit any of these sites and walk in to the store and buy a new phone in 20 minutes with very little if any research. They need the WOW factor!!!
Either that, or they just need to wait around for it to be there turn again. Its really up to them.08-08-13 11:48 AMLike 0 - It's not always cyclical. Every company story is different. Maybe they can rebound (I hope they do) but sometimes things just come to an end. For the 1 person saying how Apple made a comeback another says Palm didn't. What happened to them in the past has 0 impact on Blackberry because there are some many different internal and external factors that lead to the rise and fall of a company and sometimes it's just timing that can make all the difference. Think about it..... when Apple made a turnaround, what were the main competing products? What was the biggest iPod competitor prior to it being invented? What touchscreen device was good when the iPhone came out? What tablet was highly usable when the iPad came out? Nothing worth noting. But when Palm tried to make a turn with webOS there was Android and iPhone. 2 growing platforms from companies with enormous resources and not to mention Blackberry was still doing well. So while I hope it's cyclical, I can't be naive to the fact that circumstances are different and sometimes good things must come to an end. Let's just hope not.ccbs likes this.08-08-13 12:00 PMLike 1
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"Signs of US Android net user decline"
Published on August 8th, 2013
http://www.asymco.com/2013/08/08/and...-user-decline/08-08-13 12:04 PMLike 0 - Remains to be seen what happens.
They have one of four outcomes I think
1. They get bought
2. They continue to downsize to a specific smaller niche
3. They make BlackBerry 10 or 11 a success and start to grow
4. They eventually can't continue and close
Ranked in what I think is the order of liklihood. 1 and 2 far more likely than 3 and 4 IMO
Posted via CB10Savior4Life likes this.08-08-13 12:04 PMLike 1 - That is not true for the US market.
"Signs of US Android net user decline"
Published on August 8th, 2013
http://www.asymco.com/2013/08/08/and...-user-decline/08-08-13 12:07 PMLike 0 - I never said every company completes a turn around. One big difference between Palm and BB is BB already has a 70 million+ following and billions in the bank. Circumstances are different, but Apple has become stagnant, and Android to me doesn't appear to be a long term public darling. BB has a good foundation to build on. I am reminded about the story of DeWalt. When Black & Decker studied names for a new commercial line, DeWalt's name was still known to be solid, even though they owned a very small market share. Look at what with building solid products, with great performance, wrapped in an atractive package can do when a name people still recognized can do. Sure millions of people when asked would say the BB is not what it was, but if they show them what they currently are, and where they are going, BB could come back quick!earlym and damien kupuku like this.08-08-13 12:13 PMLike 2
- I`m not disagreeing with you, but BB10 has been out for 6 months, feels kinda late to enact that idea with BB10, as many many people will of had their first impressions alreadyscorpiodsu likes this.08-08-13 12:13 PMLike 1
- I never said every company completes a turn around. One big difference between Palm and BB is BB already has a 70 million+ following and billions in the bank. Circumstances are different, but Apple has become stagnant, and Android to me doesn't appear to be a long term public darling. BB has a good foundation to build on. I am reminded about the story of DeWalt. When Black & Decker studied names for a new commercial line, DeWalt's name was still known to be solid, even though they owned a very small market share. Look at what with building solid products, with great performance, wrapped in an atractive package can do when a name people still recognized can do. Sure millions of people when asked would say the BB is not what it was, but if they show them what they currently are, and where they are going, BB could come back quick!
And yes there's a big difference between blackberry and Palm. Just like there's a big difference between blackberry and Apple. So again, my point is don't use other companies as an example because what happened to them does not matter. Anyone can make an argument either way based on another company but those comparisons don't matter. But I will say that Blackberry is faced with more market challenges similar to Palm then what Apple was facing. And there's no denying that. But again, what happened to those companies means squat. Apple made a comeback. So what? Has zilch to do with blackberry.08-08-13 12:20 PMLike 0 - I only use other companies as examples because that is exaclty what they are.....examples. I guess if you are able to succeed without using others as succesful examples, good on you!
Lets just see if Apple can prove they can suceed without Jobs, history says otherwise.08-08-13 12:27 PMLike 0 - As this is a BlackBerry forum, what does BlackBerrys history tell us about them? jus sayin lolpineappleqwer and scorpiodsu like this.08-08-13 12:31 PMLike 2
- Broken promises, missed deadlines, and what seems to be a philosophy of only needed to play catch up, not get ahead.Savior4Life likes this.08-08-13 12:35 PMLike 1
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- Apple is not tanking. They have the highest market cap in the world, they are extremely profitable, albeit the profit margin has been shrinking. But profit margin shrinking and a company tanking are two very different things. Their market share is less, because the market is growing faster than they can. They still sell more iPhones than before. Apple for what�s worth is doing just fine for now. That can change in the future, but for now they are doing well.
Apple came back and revolutionised 3 product categories. Is BB able to do that? That is what they may have to do to "have their turn again". But to come in with a damaged name, with lackluster (when compared to some flagships) devices in a pretty mature market is not the best thing they could have done.
P.S. Apple in my opinion also has relatively lackluster devices in terms of specs but they have major brand recognition and offer a pretty reliable service that people have come to trust, so BB cannot be compared to them.08-08-13 01:37 PMLike 0 - That is not true for the US market.
"Signs of US Android net user decline"
Published on August 8th, 2013
Signs of US Android net user decline | asymco
It may not be an a huge rate of growth but its better then the 15 months of negative rate of growth since jan 2012.08-08-13 01:40 PMLike 0 -
- Here today, gone tomorrow. Nothing is guaranteed to be everlasting especially when we talk tech. It's up to the fast adapters to stay ahead of the rat race. Lets see how resilient BB is... and how tuned-in.scorpiodsu and damien kupuku like this.08-08-13 01:51 PMLike 2
- IF you read what you linked to is just shows that the US market is near full saturation. As such Android's rate of growth is slowing down, they still control well over 52% of the US market. Leaving less then 50% for apple, windows, and the small <1% of blackberry users.
It may not be an a huge rate of growth but its better then the 15 months of negative rate of growth since jan 2012.
First two paragraphs of the article :
"ComScore�s latest survey for US smartphone users showed that Android had 52% share of about 142 million users. That amounts to 73.84 million Android devices in use.
ComScore�s previous such survey showed that Android had 52.4% of about 141 million users. This amounts to 73.88 million Android devices in use. It also means that Android usage in the US went down for the first time. "08-08-13 01:52 PMLike 0 - The difference is surely within a margin of error so it’s not something to declare definitively, but the pattern of Android “peaking” has been evident for some time.
Above from the article.
Note this is all from the US market share.
Globally android is around 80%.
Also at RubberChicken78: Smartphones Continue to Gain Share as US Mobile Usage Plateaus - eMarketer
the rate of new owners in the US market alone is dropping to 1% levels.08-08-13 02:09 PMLike 0 - Yeah but when I used the example of Palm, you were quick to dispute why it's not the same. And at the end of the day, that's my only point.08-08-13 02:22 PMLike 0
- Apple came back and revolutionised 3 product categories. Is BB able to do that? That is what they may have to do to "have their turn again". But to come in with a damaged name, with lackluster (when compared to some flagships) devices in a pretty mature market is not the best thing they could have done.dc9super80 likes this.08-08-13 02:25 PMLike 1
- The end is near and BlackBerry is just fighting a losing battle here,every app maker of any product is considering making apps for Windows as their third option and not BlackBerry, so it's just a matter of time if things don't turn around soon. I love my BlackBerry but if it doesn't deliver the goods I can't be emotional and hang on to it for long. Will have to move on eventually.
Posted via CB10Savior4Life likes this.08-08-13 02:38 PMLike 1 - Also at RubberChicken78: Smartphones Continue to Gain Share as US Mobile Usage Plateaus - eMarketer
the rate of new owners in the US market alone is dropping to 1% levels.08-08-13 02:39 PMLike 0 -
"So BB needs to blow the doors off the people that don't visit any of these sites and walk in to the store and buy a new phone in 20 minutes with very little if any research. They need the WOW factor!!!"
Thor keeps talking about mobile computing, so i do wonder what that means to BB. Apple (with Jobs) basically invented the MP3, the touch screen phone, and the tablet. They didn't create the market, they ARE the market, much like Levi IS the denim pant market. For BB to get its next turn in the cyclical market they need to do something like that. I have my hopes as for what Thor is talking about, but only time will tell.
THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE COMMENTS!!scorpiodsu likes this.08-08-13 02:49 PMLike 1
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