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I still think we have to wait for the next full touch devices. However, I don't expect any change on market share being honest.
All the rumored phones are not game changers.
Posted via CB1012-21-14 10:28 PMLike 0 - Well if you consider the market grows but the sales are not. It means BlackBerry is losing market share.
I still think we have to wait for the next full touch devices. However, I don't expect any change on market share being honest.
All the rumored phones are not game changers.
Posted via CB1012-22-14 02:34 AMLike 0 -
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- Developers don't make apps for BlackBerry cause of it.
People don't buy BlackBerry phones cause of it too.
Carriers don't want to offer it either cause of it.
Gadgets (smartwatches, health bands, home automation etc) don't work on BlackBerry cause of it.
At some point the phone is not that smart anymore.
Only us the fans buy it and when people notice you are still on BlackBerry, well we all know how that goes.
Posted via CB1012-22-14 09:06 AMLike 5 - Market share does mean a lot.
Ideally with a market growing 25% YOY you want to be increasing the number of smartphone shipments as well. If market share is decreasing it means that the company is not growing in line with the market and this is what companies like Blackberry and even Samsung have been seeing where as companies like Xiaomi and Lenovo have seen tremendous growth.
Ofc Blackberry now accounts for ~0.5% of the smartphone market which will equate to around ~7 million shipments in 2014. Shipping 7m devices out of 1300m devices isn't exactly great and it's clear that the consumer market is lost to Blackberry. Now they need to get the software and services to bring in revenue not only on their own devices but on other smartphones and connected devices as well. Especially when you consider that only 65% of the total devices shipped this year were BB10 devices. Their old BB7 devices still account for a large amount and that is decreasing and decreasing all the time whilst BB10 shipments aren't increasing.MarsupilamiX and filmgirl like this.12-22-14 01:57 PMLike 2 - BB10 phones are not selling because people do not like BB10. They are not selling because the PKB market is slowly dying and most consumers and Enterprise users want an all touch phones. Most potential purchasers want a device with a better camera and a fully stocked app store. The only way to increase sales from current levels is a very good cheap phone (upcoming Rio) and a high end premium phone at a mid level price point. Lower price points is the key to increased sales and over coming the app gap issue . Only in CB land are consumers interested in the unique features of BB10.MarsupilamiX likes this.12-23-14 10:58 AMLike 1
- BB10 phones are not selling because people do not like BB10. They are not selling because the PKB market is slowly dying and most consumers and Enterprise users want an all touch phones. Most potential purchasers want a device with a better camera and a fully stocked app store. The only way to increase sales from current levels is a very good cheap phone (upcoming Rio) and a high end premium phone at a mid level price point. Lower price points is the key to increased sales and over coming the app gap issue . Only in CB land are consumers interested in the unique features of BB10.
No BB customer ever asked for a brand new started from scratch OS, everybody wanted the problems fixed on the existing OS and powerful hardware updates.
They pissed off existing customers and existing developers, I mean what did they expect really.
You're right about the CB land, they seem to be buying every device BB makes.12-23-14 11:41 AMLike 0 - Sorry but after the Z10, Z3 and Z30 is clear people simply don't want BB10, even the keyboard ones.
No BB customer ever asked for a brand new started from scratch OS, everybody wanted the problems fixed on the existing OS and powerful hardware updates.
They pissed off existing customers and existing developers, I mean what did they expect really.
You're right about the CB land, they seem to be buying every device BB makes.
Posted from zee flicking coolest smartphone evah!MarsupilamiX likes this.12-23-14 02:47 PMLike 1 - Sorry but after the Z10, Z3 and Z30 is clear people simply don't want BB10, even the keyboard ones.
No BB customer ever asked for a brand new started from scratch OS, everybody wanted the problems fixed on the existing OS and powerful hardware updates.
They pissed off existing customers and existing developers, I mean what did they expect really.
You're right about the CB land, they seem to be buying every device BB makes.
Posted via CB1012-23-14 03:01 PMLike 0 -
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- MDM, BBM Paid services, and new hardware sales will keep BlackBerry in business... declining bbos sales will not. The problem with bbos is that once Android and Apple came out, you could never develop it to do everything from an app and game standpoint that those platforms could do. People and devs started leaving BlackBerry devices before they even knew bbos was eol. I'm only posting this because it is my opinion and I will not respond after as I do know some feel very strongly about the old, outdated os and while I disagree I don't wish to beat my head against the wall...
Posted via CB10MarsupilamiX likes this.12-24-14 11:17 AMLike 1 - 12-24-14 11:28 AMLike 1
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- They would not have massive write offs but rather huge device sales profits. They would have had native apps and been able to sell their hand set division to generate even more cash. Thorsten would have been a tech darling and landed the CEO position over at GE. BlackBerry would have been purchased by Samsung and the PKB phones phased out except for the UK market which would offer a Morgan designed collectors model.12-24-14 02:53 PMLike 3
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They pissed off existing customers and existing developers, I mean what did they expect really.
You're right about the CB land, they seem to be buying every device BB makes.12-24-14 03:56 PMLike 0 - No one did? LOL. People wanted to scrap the Java based OS for something modern. Not continue to try and work on something that would never be able to keep up.
People who wanted to stay on legacy had the option. People who wanted to move on did just that.
They are BB diehards. What do you expect? It's been this way since the beginning.
People that wanted to stay on Legacy had no option, they had no new Legacy devices to buy at the end of their OS7 contracts.
It's incredible they still sell hundreds of thousands of them now, so many years later after they were launched.12-24-14 04:53 PMLike 0 - Maybe a few people on CB did, the rest just wanted a better camera and a faster browser.
People that wanted to stay on Legacy had no option, they had no new Legacy devices to buy at the end of their OS7 contracts.
It's incredible they still sell hundreds of thousands of them now, so many years later after they were launched.MarsupilamiX likes this.12-24-14 08:17 PMLike 1 - avt123O.G.
People that wanted to stay on Legacy had no option, they had no new Legacy devices to buy at the end of their OS7 contracts.
It's incredible they still sell hundreds of thousands of them now, so many years later after they were launched.MarsupilamiX likes this.12-25-14 12:46 AMLike 1 -
BBOS was made for another paradigm.
Making BBOS work well with touchscreens didn't even work, so that's an OS 99.5% (at least) would never buy today.
When we talk about apps, performance, ecosystem and all those other things that dominate the potential buyers behaviour, we also know that continuing to modernise BBOS wouldn't have changed anything.
Every single person complaining about the BBOS performance, hourglasses, battery pulls, restarts after app downloads, the crappy browser etc. all asked for a new OS in reality, because it was impossible to make BBOS perform like at least 99.5% of buyers want a phone OS to perform today.
We also established that BBOS started to tank immediately, after Apple and Google entered the market in a serious fashion.
Proving, that buyers preferred the Google/Apple paradigm vastly to the BlackBerry paradigm.
Look BelfastD, I honestly started to like you over the years, no matter how much I agreed or disagreed with you, but you honestly can't be serious if you are still thinking that an upgraded BBOS device would have actually helped BlackBerry more, than to try to adapt to a new user paradigm.
The new paradigm killed Symbian and BBOS (and Symbian was faaaaaaaaar bigger than BBOS) and it became clear that this would happen, in 2010 already.
We are nearly in the year of 2015 now, please BelfastD, just start to accept the market realities.
BBOS just isn't an OS the incredibly vast majority of the market wants. It just isn't an OS that can perform well enough, for our current user paradigm.
I kind of understood when you argued in favour of BBOS when we had January 2013. In 2015 however, it's just being in denial, of what happens in the marketplace and has happened for years already.
As always, I do however admire the passion with which you are clinging onto the thought, that BBOS has the potential of being an OS that would have any impact in 2015.Last edited by MarsupilamiX; 12-25-14 at 11:01 AM.
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