- 01-31-2013, 06:35 AM #101
I think many of us had built up very high expectations of what was going to happen. I will still get the Z10 when it comes to store shelves in America. I haven't fully watched the even as I had to take time away yesterday for an emergency and then my power went out. I'm still in the dark
The good news is several of the highly sought after apps are coming to BBM.
I'll likely be adding a line to get an SG3 though, I need something new
Would have been awesome had they said "we will launch globally in all markets effective (same date)BlackBerry Zed 10, PlayBook
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01-31-2013, 06:43 AM #102
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Re: Launch Event Not What I Expected!
Yes the launch was underwhelming. But you have to leave room for advertising - having some "oh wows" for later.
The "how to" videos on BB website are awesome. You can really see how intuitive the OS is. We'll probably see commercials highlighting some of the unmentiomed features.
Looking at ALL the cool feature of the phone, there's no way you could have fit that into an hour.
Its the best OS out IMO.Not a hippy, but I do appreciate peace, love, and happiness.
- 01-31-2013, 06:48 AM #103
I got to watch the launch last night on my Playbook. I became a Blackberry fan because of the Playbook which I bought in September. However, my cell is Android. I watched last night as a general consumer because my upgrade on my cell is on March 1st and wanted to see what the phones were about and see what my next phone will be. Since I do keep my phones for the full two years and do not do early upgrades, this is a big decision for me. Unfortunately, I am still on the fence. I will really need to see the Z10 in the Sprint store and see it hands on before any decision is made. The launch did not sway me either way. I did think it was lackluster and a bit awkward (especially when the other guy was on and they were talking about vacations). However, Thorsten is smart and knows what he is doing, he just isn't the best public speaker. I know he was excited but it did not translate well yesterday. The audience did not help, they seemed like they were sleeping and needed prompting from Thorsten to clap. Alicia Keys and her role is just useless to me, though, it was a good marketing tool to get a big name to push Blackberry.
I was impressed with many of the features of the phones and I am excited to at least try it out before committing. That is where I stand at this point. I wish it was different and I knew 100% I was going with a Blackberry but I am not there yet.Lovin' the Playbook and hatin' the cynics!
- 01-31-2013, 06:55 AM #104
I actually thought what would hold back this platform were the apps.
I was super stoked to read yesterday that uTorrent Remote is coming to BlackBerry.
Then they announce Skype. Games people want, at least some of them.
Overall I have to say they really executed on apps to a degree.
Unfortunately I think they dropped the ball big time in a few other ways.
I was looking forward to Balance, now I find out its only in a BES environment? Why can't I CHOOSE to apply it how I want?
No more BIS, no more data compression? This is huge for BlackBerries and they drop it with it hardly mentioned in the presentation?
Notifications are less comprehensive than legacy? Bedside mode is all or nothing? So basically a giant silent mode?
No control of LED at launch?
Sub par camera sensor, possibly the worst sensor available today.
No clarity on whether UMA is there or not.
And the States gets the devices 2 months later? Wow. Just wow. You can't blame carriers, I mean, if it was just the carriers, then the device would be available Sim Free. If its not, its all on BlackBerry.
These are just inexcusable problems.
The worst part is the Q device was hardly sold at all. That looks deadly, but they have no release date. Thats insane. After all these delays, to not even have a date for the Q device, and then to claim these delays were for carrier partnerships to be strong, then say the device cant be released cos carriers aren't on board, its just silly.
A lot of people may go to the Z10 from other BlackBerries. But its a SwiftKey keyboard. Ive used a Swiftkey Keyboard. If anything, its better than the alternatives, but its still not match for the tactile feel of a physical. And SwiftKey on Android is arguably better for fast typists, cos the space inference offers multiple options. Space inference on BB10 doesnt, so it will be faster for single word choices, not fast typing.
They didn't hype anything about innovative text selection. I was expecting something nifty, like the keyboard device allowing for you to hold the control button on the keyboard, and drag the screen to select text. Now that would be innovative. That would make up for the lack of a trackpad. From reviews, the text selection is awful.
The problem is BlackBerry seem to have forgotten who they are, and who to target.
Keyboard device being delayed months is a slap in the face to productivity.
Lack of trackpad is a slap in the face to productivity.
Bad battery life is a slap in the face to productivity.
The fact that the possibility of a lack of push email is even being talked about is horrible. And you can't blame Gellar, if the default setting, as Kevin mentioned in his review, is to have 15 minute polling, then thats what the majority of users will have activated. And they will be disappointed. This is a BlackBerry's problem, and fault.
Overall, I wouldn't say BlackBerry is dead, but they have done an incredible job to negating all their strong points, physical keyboard, BIS, notifications, bedside mode, productivity, and basically gone to a more iOS/Android wannabe, but without the apps. The worst of both worlds. That's a severe lack of focus, and one they will most likely pay for in the long run. I think things will pick up once the Q device launches, but, being in the UK, and a BlackBerry fan, I have no interest in picking up a Z10 today. That's sad. I had the money set aside waiting to be sold on it. I'm not.
Also, I think people from this forum going on other sites and slagging off people offering an opinion is a shame. Thunderbuck has left a pointless and abusive message on BGR's review, and loads of other people have done the same on other sites. Just makes BlackBerry lovers look sad.
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01-31-2013, 06:58 AM #105
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The launch was flat and uninspiring yet the products themselves (Z10/Q10) were solid and functional.
Will it afect sales of BB10 ? Maybe. Has RIMM/BB done enough to create a new & distinctive alternative to the iOS/Android prison ecosystem ? Time will tell.
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01-31-2013, 07:18 AM #106
- 383 Posts
Not impressed by the presentation.
Too much focus on the hub, and every feed in one place. Guess what? I'll bet a lot of us don't see it as a feature. I know i don't. I get hunderds of emails a day. i just don't want to have to go through texts from my kids, and tweeter feed and BBMs to see my emails.
I've also heard from a couple of tech reporters that the battery life is less than stellar. One of them claimed it would not last the day.
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01-31-2013, 07:27 AM #108"Every tradition constructed by human beings is subject to ossified arrogance, blinding pomposity and outright bigotry. That is true not just for Judaism, not just for Christianity, not just for Islam, it is true for secular traditions as well."
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- 01-31-2013, 07:32 AM #109
After thinking more on it, it really wasn't a well thought out event. I was impressed by some of the demos esp the kb and the hub. They spent too much time on things every other platform does and has had. BBM video chat, OK that's good but only works with another bb and not sure if it does any more than the others around. Too many awkward moments. They touched on the mobile computing platform but not enough and true multitasking which may or may not be an advantage. I think they still harp too much on "people who do" but I do understand that enterprise is their bread and butter but they also showed the fun stuff is there too.
Overall I do think they showed that it is a much better OS and they have come a long way but it is still a work in progress. I will still more than likely get one come contract time.
- 01-31-2013, 08:07 AM #110
The pricing of plans doesn't matter. They dont get the benefit of BIS compression. The plans are the same as other platforms. The push of legacy is gone. Thats a step backwards.
If you're targetting consumers, Balance should be available to everyone. No reason at all why it isn't.
LED color control isn't available yet.
The Q device was never promised to be first, I agree. But I still feel this is a mistake.
American carriers can be as stringent as they want.
If the device is certified safe, there's no reason for Sim Free devices not to be offered, like Google does through Play, is there?
RIM should have come out with it's own email system, that would have been great, I'd happily switch from Gmail, instead we get a step back with not even BlackBerry emails continued.
My Android device does not have 15 minute polling. I would bet Google will make sure Push works properly on their devices, thats the advantage of running your OS and email system.
The maps don't offer Transit. I just got back from London, Googles transit system with Tube and Bus integration is amazing, it's near impossible to live without if you're based out of a city like that.
I'm struggling to justify 500 quid on what is basically a toy, and give up my Android tool, and that's not where I should be today.
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01-31-2013, 08:19 AM #111
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Balance should be available for everyone.
Sleep mode is is biggie. When I travel, I want my family to be able to reach me. My sleep mode profile is set to kill all notifications (sound and LED) except the phone. I'ts nice to have that kind of profile apply without thinking. Plug the BB in to charge, and it's set.
- 01-31-2013, 08:29 AM #112
I have a question. Why do every day people need balance? I don't get that one.
I do agree with profiles.
- 01-31-2013, 08:35 AM #113
Id like to be able to turn on a work mode, disable certain emails, change of notifications, change of wallpaper, different apps etc.
Switch to personal mode out of the hospital.
Pretty daft to hype a feature like that and not make it available to everyone, when there's no real reason.
- 01-31-2013, 08:56 AM #114
OK. I don't know but doesn't balance require BES?
- 01-31-2013, 09:22 AM #115
- 01-31-2013, 09:37 AM #118
This is a good post, and, I really think the Z10 will be good down the line once things are tweaked/changed/updated.
I think the Q device will be great.
I just think the Z10 is a step backward from OS7 in many ways at the moment, and that's the worst part.
- 01-31-2013, 09:49 AM #119
Re: Launch Event Not What I Expected!
As a former BlackBerry user now Samsung Galaxy SIII user who still has a Playbook I can say there is nothing about BB10 that even remotely tempts me to switch. And given this was do or die they should have had more whizz-bang in the presentation. I actually found out more about the specs from the BlackBerry email.
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- 01-31-2013, 10:11 AM #120
- 01-31-2013, 10:13 AM #122
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01-31-2013, 11:25 AM #125
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Why Blackberry is not going to survive:
1. Thorstein sold his shares @ 18.17 last week.
2. He did a terrible presentation just like previous ones. Vivek showed more excitement than Thorstein.
3. I think if he does make a deal with other parties, it is mainly to enrich himself and the execs and they'll be gone. He shows he could care less about the employees. Seriously, they had lots of time to prepare for this much-anticipated presentation and there was nothing that people didn't already know.
4. Missing out on the biggest market in the world (USA) is going to affect them big time.
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