- 12-18-12, 11:06 PM #26
- 12-18-12, 11:14 PM #27
And as for the iOS gestures, they're not really well implemented compared to the Playbook's version. A simple flick up, you only have to be shown once to get. But it will take a while to remember the right way to fiddle with five fingers in order to go to the homescreen.
- 12-18-12, 11:42 PM #28
So a flick up with one finger is simple and intuitive, but when you do the same flick with four or five fingers its "fiddling" and not well implemented. Riiiiight. That certainly doesn't seem like a biased and calculated opinion at all! No siree!
(And its the pinch gesture btw. that you use to get to the home screen. You know, the pinch gesture thats so intuitive and easy that every other manufacturer has implemented it, since the iPhone was introduced)
- 12-19-12, 02:07 AM #29
This is hilarious. A few months back the iFans were saying that physical buttons are ancient (BB keyboards), and now the same people are defending the physical button on iDevices calling it stuff like intuitive etc. I guess since Apple makes a button that's the only way to do things. Apple's way or the highway is the mantra for iFans.
Laughable as it is, the button way is an old dinasaur. Apple can't change it because their OS is old and has not originally been designed keeping gestures in mind. That's why their gesture implementation is horrendous. Apple will need to upgrade the technology on their aging OS sooner or later, but very few companies have been able to sucessfully transition their technology (paraphrasing someone here). With the entrenched user base and huge library of Applications, Apple will find it very difficult to bring a huge change without losing its faithfull hordes of button crazy fans who think only buttons are inutitive and making apps on the current platform redundant.
- CrackBerry User
12-19-12, 03:10 AM #31
- 72 Posts
Just Speculating. BB10 will kill the "home button".
i wish apple will have the hard home button in the looong future and they never change. i'm sure there are tons of die hard fans supporting it. because apple is well known as "user friendly" and i'll be playing with my bb10 in the near future.
when pb was first launched, i went to futureshop and tried the demo pb, there was nobody explaining how it worked and i didnt know how to use the gesture at all and there was no up arrow sticker. i left finally without figuring it out.
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- CrackBerry Genius
12-19-12, 03:18 AM #33
- 4,279 Posts
By your logic, however, consumers didn't want to change their habits, so the device ultimately failed...right?
P.S. Yes, I'm aware that touchscreen phones were around during that time.
P.P.S. I swore by the physical keyboard, but I look forward to giving the L-series a try!
- 12-19-12, 05:00 AM #34
I fail to see how a home screen button or a volume button are the same as a keyboard. Would you also cry "hypocrite! they both have wheels!" to say, a proponent of collective transport, because he would like to promote busses and might suggest to prohibit cars in inner cities.
- 12-19-12, 05:16 AM #35
What Apple did with the iPhone wasn't to say "let's make something completely different!" They said "Let's make it better!" And they took a bunch of pre existing parts and technologies (touchscreens for example) as well as new ones (Gorilla Glass) and put it together in a new and better way. The total was greater than the sum of its parts, and despite lacking certain features and having trade offs, the end result was so good that people loved it despite those lacks and drawbacks.
A physical home and volume button has certain advantages over on screen gestures or virtual buttons, that's a good reason for keeping it, as well as incooperating on screen gestures, instead of replacing it "just cause its old".
Heck, the BB 10 has voloume buttons and a shutter button. Shouldn't they also be replaced with on screen gestures, if they're so great and new?
- 12-19-12, 05:32 AM #36
They removed all the buttons one time on the iPod Shuffle. People told Apple they wanted them back. The original iPod Touch didn't have volume buttons, people told them they wanted them. It seems a large number of people like buttons for certain functions. Whether that applies to the "Home" button, I'm not sure. I don't doubt Apple has done significant research on this topic and have considered removing it. After all, this is the company that insists you don't need more than one button on your mouse, and would get rid of that too if they could.
- 12-19-12, 05:32 AM #37
You might find the button simple, I don't. I find it extremely frustrating to keep pressing the button on the iPhone or iPad. It's not intuitive for me. And as for the iFans claims that BB users are simple, the reason I touch iPhones is to solve the problems the simpleton iPhone users cannot with their phones.
As for your assertion about the need for a physical button on a touch screen device, that is your choice. There are people who can like a different experience. But since you are one of those, I guess the only way to do things for you is the way Apple deigns it. If Apple were to discard the button tomorrow morning, you'd be singing a very different tune.
- 12-19-12, 05:49 AM #38
Since buttons are so unintuitive and frustrating for you, I find it odd you don't complain about the upcoming BB10 phones use of volume buttons and a camera button... Surely you can't wait for RIM to get rid off those stale and unintuitive buttons and be replaced with gestures, right?
And no, you don't NEED to press the home button on an iPad or iPhone. You can use gestures to replace it, if you don't like pressing it. Just like on a Playbook. It has advantages over gestures, and I and many others apparently prefer the physical button, but its not necessary per se.
So I really think this hate you have for a button you never need to touch as a user, is more the result of Apple making the product rather than anything else. Thou doth protest a bit too much about fanboys singing songs and being hypocritical, (despite knowing very little about what devices in own and use) pot calling the kettle black, perhaps?
- 12-19-12, 06:25 AM #39
Re: Just Speculating. BB10 will kill the "home button".
Do you guys realise you are debating personal preferences, assigning values to them, and extrapolating them to everyone else?
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- 12-19-12, 06:37 AM #41
- CrackBerry Genius
12-19-12, 07:12 AM #43
- 2,426 Posts
I'm not sure the home button is an issue. It works fine....although, it is more awkward on an iPad, it serves the purpose well on a phone or touch thou IMO. A double click brings up active apps. Personally I like gestures over buttons (with the exception of the BB Menu button....it has function), I forever find myself swiping in pointless directions in my wifes iPad to get it to do something, and it never does LOL ......... and I don't even have a PB (yet), so its not like I'm used to one thing over another.
To the OP's original point, I don't think BB10 will move a trend to no home buttons, I think Apple will continue on with it (again, I don't see an issue with a home button). Their biggest issue IMO is not so much that folks think the OS is stale (I think its fine for what it is), I think the biggest issue is the fact it will and is becoming more fragmented, and if they need to take the next leap to mobile computing, the current iOS won't be able to do it. a completely new OS will be needed, and then what happens to the vast ecosystem that gave Apples its legs?
- 12-19-12, 07:34 AM #44
Just Speculating. BB10 will kill the "home button".
With that being said, I do hate how the homescreen has to be accessed with the majority of tasks.
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- CrackBerry Abuser
12-19-12, 08:49 AM #46
- 344 Posts
here here. ppl are on the edge of there seats with bb10 just around the corner. the Iphone is no longer innovative, ppl want innovation, something new, and refreshing.
bb10 Will deliver, it will not disappoint.
bring on the new true super phone. BB10
- CrackBerry Addict
12-19-12, 09:06 AM #47
- 708 Posts
i don't get it. If I'm in the middle of something on my itouch and i get a new message i can pull down the notification and I'm into the message no home screen seen. While BB10 offers a different way of doing it it doesn't mean other platforms cant. BB10 only does away with the in out paradigm if you are already in the hub. outside of it you going in and out just like every other platform.
Ne way cant wait to get my L series #71 on the rogers reservation list
- CrackBerry Abuser
12-19-12, 12:46 PM #49
- 175 Posts
There are so many assumptions people make about iOS and Android that are either incredibly wrong or based on information that is three or four years old, it's ridiculous.
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