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Just Speculating. BB10 will kill the "home button".
I reserved my BB10 device at #167, looking forward to my first smartphone. This post is just speculating that when BB10 launches and when consumers catches on how intuitive the User Interface is compared to competitors, I can see Apple and Android adopting the same style of gestures to their OS's. BB10 will simply kill the inconvenience of the "home button". I think that Apple's iOS is looking stale, therefore are in need of a refresh. Of course, they are in no hurry. They have a strong customer base and piles of cash, they are the most valuable tech company in the world. Rightfully so, but after a couple of disappointing iPhone launches they will borrow/steal some feature from BB10. Android might follow suit.
These are just my thoughts. Sorry about the Grammer and spelling errors.
I'll revisit my post in a few years time .
- 12-18-12, 03:48 PM #2
You have to go to the home screen all the time for no reason if im browsing the web and i get a message why should i have to see a home screen first?
- 12-18-12, 03:50 PM #3
The iPhone is at least 2 years away from any removal of Home button...Android has starting to move away from home screen by having actionable notifications and slightly better "multitasking" compared to iOS.XoXoXo
- 12-18-12, 04:11 PM #4
May I take a wild guess, that you two fine gentleman have never owned or been near an iPhone? Thereby having just about the same credibility as Ford owner who doesn't like how a Chevy feels, despite never having driven one?
And the home button has been killed off in many Android handsets, for over a year in fact. It's a pretty poor design decision though. In the iPhones case, Apple are so good at intuitive design that i doubt the homebutton is going anywhere. The homebutton serves an important role that can't be emulated by an onscreen button without a pricy trade off in usability and screen estate.
And is much more intuitive than on screen gestures. As an example, look at how intuitive the iPad is to use, with the home button that serves as a focus point for multitasking, taskswitching and other functions, and compare it with the Playbook that floundered in sales. The people that DID see it in store quickly gave up on operating it, with the multiple screen gestures and lack of home button.
- 12-18-12, 04:35 PM #5
- 12-18-12, 04:38 PM #6
PS. I've been around/used plenty of iDevices over my time and yes, there is nothing wrong with a home button, it just hasn't changed. It's stale. It's boring.
BB10/the PlayBook have proven that a home button isn't needed and can be replaced by gestures. No loss in screen estate and usabilityXoXoXo
- 12-18-12, 04:39 PM #7
In the iPhones case, Apple are so good at intuitive design that i doubt the homebutton is going anywhere. The homebutton serves an important role that can't be emulated by an onscreen button without a pricy trade off in usability and screen estate.
And is much more intuitive than on screen gestures. As an example, look at how intuitive the iPad is to use, with the home button that serves as a focus point for multitasking, taskswitching and other functions, and compare it with the Playbook that floundered in sales. The people that DID see it in store quickly gave up on operating it, with the multiple screen gestures and lack of home button.Blackberry 10 > Windows Phone 7/8 > Blackberry 7 > WebOS > iOS > Android > Symbian > Meego
- 12-18-12, 04:42 PM #8
Not to mention the iPad's "gestures" are awkward as awkward can get.
It's like a game "how many fingers can you fit on the screen and swipe to change apps?"XoXoXo
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12-18-12, 05:19 PM #9
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actually, frequently using iPads and owning iPods, the Home button works fine on a smaller device that you typically use in one hand, it helps orient the device and is easier to use. Where it is awkward is on a larger tablet, which you typically pick up and rotate frequently... where's the home button? Oh, it's on the top or side now, gotta reach up /over and hit it to get back to the home screen... clumsy implementation on the iPads.
That's where the PB UI shines, it's conveniently functional at any orientation.
- 12-18-12, 06:25 PM #12
I bet once BB10 releases and sales are very good, Apple might reconsider their whole design and try to match, yet maybe try to beat their competitors. I mean this is Apple we are talking about. Then again, they lost the vision when Jobs passed so let's see how it goes next year.I wait for the future...to COME back to BlackBerry!
- 12-18-12, 06:52 PM #13Blackberry 10 > Windows Phone 7/8 > Blackberry 7 > WebOS > iOS > Android > Symbian > Meego
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12-18-12, 07:11 PM #14
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If a message comes in while you are in any app you have two ways of accessing it without ever touching the home button or going to the home screen. Tap the notification that appears at the top of the screen or pull down from the top of the screen if you didn't deal with it in time. Both of those will drop you straight into messages from wherever you are. Emails work the same way.
You can also swipe directly into messages, emails, or other notifications directly from the lock screen. It really seems like most people posting criticisms of Apple/iOS have never used an iPhone for more than a couple of minutes.
- 12-18-12, 07:27 PM #15
Intuitions are learned. Yes, if people expect a home button, hard or virtual, then they need to be show how to do things a different way. That doesn't make gestures "counterintuitive".
As one might surmise from my gray beard, I'm old enough to remember when turning on the high beams in my car involved tapping a button on the floor with my left foot. It was like that on every car I drove, and seemed utterly intuitive to me. Then they stopped putting that button down there, and relocated the function to the turn signal lever. Until someone showed me, I had no reason to guess that the turn signal level now controlled high beams too. It wasn't counterinuitive, or "harder"; just different. And it took about 3 seconds to learn (but I confess that for a few months I would sometimes tap my left foot on the button that wasn't there anymore).
Yes, it was a mistake not to have signs or something in the stores that showed how to use the PB, precisely because it was/is an innovative interface. But none of that shows that a home button is any more (or less) inherently intuitive than gestures.
- 12-18-12, 09:55 PM #18
Ok, to put it in Another way. Apple will copy RIM in every way they can their Own way, make it Better and then make the public believe they invented it.I wait for the future...to COME back to BlackBerry!
- 12-18-12, 10:00 PM #19
Re: Just Speculating. BB10 will kill the "home button".
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- 12-18-12, 10:25 PM #21
As for your excellent example with the high beams, please note that they moved the function ton something that is fundamentally a button. (albeit with more directions to be pressed in) They didn't implement a gesture where the high beams turn on when you wave your hand in a certain direction, though that would certainly be possible today.
The fundamental layout of a car hasn't changed for close to a hundred years. There's a good reason for that, just like there's a good reason for keeping the home button.
Now that doesn't mean that gestures are useless, they're not. I sure do appreciate being able to go from app to app just by swiping on my iPad. But a physical home button has some advantages that gestures can never replace. That's its intuitive is just one. It can also be operated without turning the device on, and it makes one handed operation easier.
- 12-18-12, 10:32 PM #22
Gestures isn't as new and revolutionary as some people make them out to be. They've been available on Android and iOS for quite awhile. But they also kept the home button, simply because a physical home button has some advantages that gestures by themselves can't have.
- 12-18-12, 10:36 PM #23Blackberry 10 > Windows Phone 7/8 > Blackberry 7 > WebOS > iOS > Android > Symbian > Meego
- 12-18-12, 10:42 PM #24
Thank you very much for proving my point! On screen gestures are so counter intuitive, that RIM needed to put up stickers and cardboard signs to explain people how to turn on and use their tablet. That really speaks for itself, doesn't it?
Contrast that with the iPad that ALSO have gestures to change apps or return to the home screen AS WELL as a physical home button. If they wanted to, they could have replaced that home button a long time ago. But a physical home button has advantages that you can't get with only gestures. One of those is that's its intuitive. You don't need to put on a sticker that explains how you need to press the button, people know that. We've been used to pressing buttons to make stuff happen for well over 100 years. That intuitive factor is good to hold on to alongside physical gestures.
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