I am not worried about BB10 future anymore and here is why....

**bitek** · 07-08-2012, 09:18 PM

I got Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus a week ago. Very cool tablet indeed, in many ways more robust than playbook due to seemingly infinite number of apps but boy o boy the piracy on Android is just jaw dropping. Sideloading apps on playbook is "difficult" compared to the way Android handles loading apps outside of Google Play. No need for pc what so ever, two year old will be able to load pirated apps as long as he knows how to use torrent client. literally hundreds if not thousands of apps packed into huge files are available for download. Premium games like Dead Space or Mass Effect are all hacked and up for grabs in minutes. This brings me to my point. Developers will support bb10 because it is in their interest to do so. Rim is all about security and hacking future bb10 will be difficult if not impossible. This means less piracy and more money for developers. I have a feling that total openness of android makes it impossible to make android any more piracy proof. I hate to say it but down the road rim needs to take sideloading away. I am all for it as long as all important apps are available for bb10.

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**tmelon** · 07-08-2012, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by bitek

I got Samsung Galaxy Tab Plus a week ago. Very cool tablet indeed, in many ways more robust than playbook due to seemingly infinite number of apps but boy o boy the piracy on Android is just jaw dropping. Sideloading apps on playbook is "difficult" compared to the way Android handles loading apps outside of Google Play. No need for pc what so ever, two year old will be able to load pirated apps as long as he knows how to use torrent client. literally hundreds if not thousands of apps packed into huge files are available for download. Premium games like Dead Space or Mass Effect are all hacked and up for grabs in minutes. This brings me to my point. Developers will support bb10 because it is in their interest to do so. Rim is all about security and hacking future bb10 will be difficult if not impossible. This means less piracy and more money for developers. I have a feling that total openness of android makes it impossible to make android any more piracy proof. I hate to say it but down the road rim needs to take sideloading away. I am all for it as long as all important apps are available for bb10.

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In my opinion developers care more about the number of potential users than the risk of piracy. Say for example there's 20,000,000 Android users and 20,000 BB users. The developer would probably take the risk and build for Android so he could reach a broader audience.

**bitek** · 07-08-2012, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by tmelon

In my opinion developers care more about the number of potential users than the risk of piracy. Say for example there's 20,000,000 Android users and 20,000 BB users. The developer would probably take the risk and build for Android so he could reach a broader audience.

PC gaming industry is pretty much dead because of piracy. Only major titles get released on pc. I think developers want Rim to survive to have more options

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**Jtaylor1986** · 07-08-2012, 09:55 PM

Developers develop for android because the numbers dictate they have too I doubt it is their ideal platform.

**Tre Lawrence** · 07-08-2012, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by Jtaylor1986

Developers develop for android because the numbers dictate they have too I doubt it is their ideal platform.

Yay for numbers!!!

**thecsman** · 07-08-2012, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by tmelon

In my opinion developers care more about the number of potential users than the risk of piracy. Say for example there's 20,000,000 Android users and 20,000 BB users. The developer would probably take the risk and build for Android so he could reach a broader audience.

You are, certainly, not a developer.

**bitek** · 07-08-2012, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by thecsman

You are, certainly, not a developer.

I think rim has shown with rooting attempts of pb that it takes piracy very seriously. I am sure google does too but openess of android makes it difficult for google to address the issue in any meaningful way

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**TheScionicMan** · 07-08-2012, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by tmelon

In my opinion developers care more about the number of potential users than the risk of piracy. Say for example there's 20,000,000 Android users and 20,000 BB users. The developer would probably take the risk and build for Android so he could reach a broader audience.

What if only 10,000 Android users actually pay for the app?

**dbmalloy** · 07-08-2012, 10:31 PM

It is not so much how many people pirate apps... it is how many people buy their apps.....With the huge Android user base... they must make money or they would leave the platform in droves.... it is the way of business... stay where the money is....

**Bla1ze** · 07-08-2012, 10:37 PM

Pirates don't care about the level of difficulty of installing apps, to think otherwise is just foolish. This is hardly a factor in the success or fail of BlackBerry 10. I won't even get into the whole developer concern portion, because well.. look at the numbers, they speak for themselves.

**louzer** · 07-08-2012, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Bla1ze

Pirates don't care about the level of difficulty of installing apps, to think otherwise is just foolish. This is hardly a factor in the success or fail of BlackBerry 10. I won't even get into the whole developer concern portion, because well.. look at the numbers, they speak for themselves.

Exactly. The same way DRM is 'preventing' the piracy of music and video. Yet despite this piracy, mp3 sales are way up over last year as CD/DVD sales are in decline.

**rkennedy01** · 07-09-2012, 01:25 AM

Here's a thought experiment: As a Playbook owner, do you you feel less guilty about using pirated apps from the massive Android ecosystem, where the practice is rampant, than you do about native PB apps where the market is smaller, developers tend to be struggling (one or two man shops) and the practice is heavily frowned upon?

RCK

**otacon** · 07-09-2012, 05:35 AM

It is a case for scale of economics. With Android, you can reach a wider audience, but how many paying customers will you get? Android apps are so easy to sideload, and there are not many honest users who would pay for apps.

Blackberry reaches a smaller niche market, but consumers are more willing and ready to pay for apps as BB cannot be sideloaded.

I am an amateur developer myself, and I only develop for BB. I chose this path as I am a BB abuser myself, and it's just a passion for the BB that makes me want to develop for BB.

**Tre Lawrence** · 07-09-2012, 06:43 AM

LOL at the theory that somehow, there is a greater percentage of dishonest people that use Android.

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**kbz1960** · 07-09-2012, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by trelawrence

LOL at the theory that somehow, there is a greater percentage of dishonest people that use Android.

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While it does sound funny wouldn't a larger percentage of users = a probability that there are a larger number of dishonest people also?

In the same respect the ratio per number of users is probably the same.

**xandermac** · 07-09-2012, 06:50 AM

That explains Androids popularity then.

**jwn66** · 07-09-2012, 06:54 AM

RIM is about security now and no one is developing, why's that going to change in the future.. It's up to RIM to pay the devs to develop the apps we need... can't sit back with there feet up anymore..

**avt123** · 07-09-2012, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by Bla1ze

Pirates don't care about the level of difficulty of installing apps, to think otherwise is just foolish. This is hardly a factor in the success or fail of BlackBerry 10. I won't even get into the whole developer concern portion, because well.. look at the numbers, they speak for themselves.

Yea this just baffles me.

Pirate- Hmm take a little time and get it for free, or pay for it.
Pirate- I'll definitely take a little time and get it for free.

**Tre Lawrence** · 07-09-2012, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by kbz1960

While it does sound funny wouldn't a larger percentage of users = a probability that there are a larger number of dishonest people also?

In the same respect the ratio per number of users is probably the same.

I saw a huge amount of piracy of Android apps occur here when the beta Android player was released.

My point being that piracy is not restricted to one platform. I know a lot of Android users, and discussing apps unethically is something none of us would do.

That is a 100% right there.

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**avt123** · 07-09-2012, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by trelawrence

I saw a huge amount of piracy of Android apps occur here when the beta Android player was released.

My point being that piracy is not restricted to one platform. I know a lot of Android users, and discussing apps unethically is something none of us would do.

That is a 100% right there.

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On all the Android sites I have participated on, I have never seen piracy in action.

I know more people who jailbreak to get installous to pirate.

I have seen more pirating done on CrackBerry (PlayBook forums) than I have on any Android or iOS forum over the last 4 years.

**kbz1960** · 07-09-2012, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by trelawrence

I saw a huge amount of piracy of Android apps occur here when the beta Android player was released.

My point being that piracy is not restricted to one platform. I know a lot of Android users, and discussing apps unethically is something none of us would do.

That is a 100% right there.

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Well I'm not sure about that, I don't hang out in the dingleberry/rooting/sideloading section but most of the apps that are sideloaded are free apps. And don't tell me discussing apps unethically is something no android users will do. BS, maybe so in your limited crowd, says more about the crowd you know and hang with.

Originally Posted by avt123

On all the Android sites I have participated on, I have never seen piracy in action.

I know more people who jailbreak to get installous to pirate.

I have seen more pirating done on CrackBerry (PlayBook forums) than I have on any Android or iOS forum over the last 4 years.

Maybe because the mods on those forums delete said threads before they get too far? What pirating have you seen on here? Links please.

**avt123** · 07-09-2012, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by kbz1960

Maybe because the mods on those forums delete said threads before they get too far? What pirating have you seen on here? Links please.

There were plenty of links to pirate sites for Android apps for PB. I am pretty sure they have been dealt with. I am also not going to link said sites.

Maybe the mods do shut it down right away, but I have never seen one started.

**avt123** · 07-09-2012, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by xandermac

That explains Androids popularity then.

Everyone knows stealing is the number one reason to buy an Android device.

**kbz1960** · 07-09-2012, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by avt123

There were plenty of links to pirate sites for Android apps for PB. I am pretty sure they have been dealt with. I am also not going to link said sites.

Maybe the mods do shut it down right away, but I have never seen one started.

Thanks, I don't want links to the site's. I wanted links to threads here promoting it.

**avt123** · 07-09-2012, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by kbz1960

Thanks, I don't want links to the site's. I wanted links to threads here promoting it.

All the threads that I did see had the links removed inside. iMore has had some piracy threads as well (Installous) but that gets cleaned up right away. Usually the members police that site and get mod attention quickly.