- 02-19-13, 02:15 AM #27
I actually think if BlackBerry 10 takes off big time in the US -- you'll see Microsoft take a hard look at buying BlackBerry and dumping Windows Phone as a desperation move against Android and Apple. Microsoft can not afford to not be in mobile and Windows Phone just is not cutting it so far.
- 02-19-13, 03:09 AM #29
OS7 devices will never be upgraded to BB10
I think if we follow your analogy, BB actually has a worse upgrade history than MS...
A few more points.
1, Contrary to your assertion, BB10 has not yet addressed all the shortcomings. It's taken some giant steps forward but some are backward at this point.
2. Virtual Keyboard and Timeshift don't really set themselves apart from the competition. They are cool stuff, but not radically different as you may think. Replacement keyboards like Swiftkey were already providing excellent virtual keyboards ages ago, with the added advantage of often running on bigger screens with much bigger keys to hit.
As for my assertion and BB 10 shortcomings. Ask any BlackBerry user, current or former, what the major issues were with the OS, and they will say battery pulls, limited amount of apps that could be installed at one time, and hour glass. Is this happening now? No. Is BB 10 perfect, no, but no OS is.
Virtual keyboard and timeshift does get them noticed. I use Swiftkey all the time on my Android, its great, but the Z10 has the best virtual keyboard on the market.
- 02-19-13, 08:45 AM #31
....yes, I do agree.....they must innovate....if they ever hope to draw any substantial base away. They must also evolve at least at a rate on par with the others. If they can hang on at least 3 years, then when a customer goes in, they may see BB as a legitimate 3rd choice, and even without bold innovation, BB may get some portion of the marketshare. The problem is....that's a big "if". I said this well before the launch: BB10 is going against up against popular, dominant, mature platforms. It must launch bug-free, they must produce product - on time- and that is only to have a chance at being in the game. They must go all-in, and then immediately start running with the big boys, just to keep their chance alive.
As to MS....I'm not sure about xbox....I don't think there is much of an angle there, unless they can truly integrate the systems in a meaningful way. I can imagine ways it could be done, but it needs to be deep, exciting, revolutionary integration. As to "Surface phone"....LOL....no need to remind people of the utter failure that Surface will be. Just as winphone is actually one of the best products they ever managed to get out, Surface is a reminder of how even the "new' MS, with it's Apple copied philosophies, can, and will, turn out absolute garbage. I couldn't imagine how to make something worse than Surface. It's a big shocking to me...with all the MS fanboys (young -uns who don't aren't aware of the history of computing, and actually think MS has contributed to computing (I don't blame them...we have short memories in tech....and they weren't alive...or barely when it began)), MS only had to turn out a "decent" product to get a "win" (by their standards) with Surface....instead....they couldn't even do that. There is a certain irony that MS bashed it's own partners for not putting out good products (and in some ways they were right), only to release the biggest turd of all. (not surprising that the partners, just laughed and ceased protesting once they saw it).
- 02-19-13, 11:09 AM #32
I disagree. Windows 8 on PC's is pretty awesome once you get the hang of it. You can switch between the new GUI and the traditional desktop theme pretty seamlessly. Like any new OS, it takes time for people to come around.
Windows 8 is made more for touch though, so it may go over a little better on touchscreen devices.
- 02-19-13, 11:52 AM #33
I will never look back--------------------------------
The race is on for president of the "everything is awful, in every way, all the time, under every circumstance, no matter what!" crowd. Who will win in the end?
- 02-19-13, 12:02 PM #34
I turned the title in to a question. It makes a bit more sense that way.
My take is that Win8 is more polished, and less buggy, BUT is not designed as well. I think once BB gets the kinks out, they will win, BUT as others pointed out the race is FAR FAR from over.
- 02-19-13, 02:47 PM #36
I think Blackberry is already #3 no? I think it's a question of whether BB10 can help Blackberry maintain #3 and keep the ever pushing WP8 at the back of the pack. . .if there is anything we can learn from comparing WP to BB is that it is easier to keep market share than it is to gain it. . . (BB has had a higher number of sales of "outdated" devices while the more modern WP8 devices have seen only moderate uptake. . .IMHO?!)VOTE UP THE Z10!!!!!
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- 02-19-13, 03:43 PM #37
3rd place will not be secured for a long time. Blackberry and Microsoft are just getting started. When everything gets rolling, that's when it will be interesting. This is just the start, not the finish.7230>7780>8700>8100>8300>9000>8900>9700>9800>9860> 9900>Z10>Q10>Z30>Passport>Classic
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Several iPhones, Androids, and WP in between.
- 02-19-13, 06:11 PM #40
You really should consider Oranges vs Oranges (BB10 vs Wp8).
BB7 is a legacy system like Symbion and Samsung's own system.
Really do not know who will sell more. It might depend on the response to the Q10.
- 02-20-13, 12:53 PM #42
There is no ultimate moment when the operating systems stop everything and arrange themselves on a podium 1-2-3. All we have is NOW. And NOW BlackBerry is in third place. There is never an end to the smartphone battle or an all encompassing moment which in the third place is finally deemed. Blackberry naysayers seem to have the fantasy of some specific, determining moment in the future when the picture will be true, in order to defer the "here and now" reality of yes BlackBerry is in third.
- 02-20-13, 04:06 PM #44
Very differnt argument here. I have a Windows 7.5 phone I bought about 1.5 years ago. It's a **** off that it doesn't upgrade. The difference is that NOBODY would expect their BB's to run BB10; it's so vastly different on every level. However, while under the hood WP8 and WP7 are all new, to any layman, they are the same. Ask anyone that has used a WP7, would say WP8 looks to be a Windows 7.6.
This is why there is an expectation that WP7 can be upgraded.
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- 02-21-13, 01:15 AM #48
RE: Has BlackBerry already won the third place market share battle?
Don't know about windows not being third. Seen an article today predicting Blackberry will be running Android by next year. So they might move into that first place category. Just another Android phone manufacturer.
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