[qwerty4ever]

Actually Microsoft real strategy is to get you on outlook.com, and then hopefully you'll find value becoming an Office365 subscriber. I get that and have no problem with it.

Your right. Microsoft's offering for their business clients, MicrosoftOnline.com follows the same strategy as you've mentioned in regards to Outlook.com

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[BBrickk]

1) connect YouTube to a random + account of your imagination
2) do not add anyone to "Your Circles" on that account
3) when commenting, untick the Share on Google+ and change sharing from Public to "Your Circles". No one is in your circles anyways.

I overheard they will integrate YouTube and + and you will soon have to login to watch YouTube videos. So that looks like they are preparing people by integrating the comments first.


Posted via Z10 STL100-3 using CB10. Fido, Toronto.

[systemvolker]

True story.
Atleast FB was, when there was this massive wave of clone accounts being created.
Basically if they suspected that your account was fake or a clone, the account was suspended and pretty much one of the only viable option was to send them a copy of your photo ID to prove that you are you.

Posted via CB10 from my Z10

True... and it's done via application software made by themselves not by a real person scanning your info.

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[boldkeyboardholic]

This happend to me last year. I believe Feb 2012. Since then I would have been forced to create or link a Google-Minus Account to my YT-Account. I passed. Since then I just use bookmarks for the channels really like and reduced my time spend on YT a lot.

Now with forced Google-Minus Account to even post it is really forced G-- use. Some with hangout instead of gtalk (based on open jabber/xmpp) etc. pp.

I guess to fight against Facebook they had to became Facebook 2.0 :/

Additionally I really hate the last updates on Android, almost everything is dumbed down. Like maps.

Even the permission mananger with 4.3 is laughable compared to old BB OS 4 and 5 or 7. BB 10 I never used.

I miss the old privacy too.

[boldkeyboardholic]

Google is like Sauron ;(

And the rings are the services.

[thymaster]

Since when? It's always been opt-in. The first time anybody activates an android device they are asked very specifically if they would like the feature on or off.

Whether it's an option to back up or not Google still uses your contact to transfer it to their other services that you never subscribed to like "Google+" is a violation of one's privacy. If Google can get away with this who knows what else they are getting away with. I sure hope my information isn't be sold on a market somewhere in Nigeria.

[bp3dots]

Whether it's an option to back up or not Google still uses your contact to transfer it to their other services that you never subscribed to like "Google+" is a violation of one's privacy. If Google can get away with this who knows what else they are getting away with. I sure hope my information isn't be sold on a market somewhere in Nigeria.

Can you clarify? This is really hard to understand.

[thymaster]

Can you clarify? This is really hard to understand.

Long story short, when I was forced to sign up to a Google+ account to comment on youtube, I was shocked to see the contacts that google+ have recommended me were all from my personal phonebook which I never gave authorization. Some of my contact that I haven't spoke to in a long time shaw my G+ account too. They were just as clueless and shocked as me about this G+ thing too. It's so easy for google take our private data and spread it across the internet. Right then I realize I just sold myself to the devil. Imo, this is just the beginning of an evil empire lurking on your computer. If you google lovers don't see what I see now, in the future some of you will be in for a rude awaking. Guys, this is just my view and you might hate it now but you might thank me in the future for opening a new perspective.

[howarmat]

Long story short, when I was forced to sign up to a Google+ account to comment on youtube, I was shocked to see the contacts that google+ have recommended me were all from my personal phonebook which I never gave authorization. Some of my contact that I haven't spoke to in a long time shaw my G+ account too. They were just as clueless and shocked as me about this G+ thing too. It's so easy for google take our private data and spread it across the internet. Right then I realize I just sold myself to the devil. Imo, this is just the beginning of an evil empire lurking on your computer. If you google lovers don't see what I see now, in the future some of you will be in for a rude awaking. Guys, this is just my view and you might hate it now but you might thank me in the future for opening a new perspective.

do you have a gmail account synced to your z10? does it have contacts in it?

[vrud]

FWIW, I created a bunch of fake accounts to maximize privacy. Facebook, email and related have entries for my personal life and peer accounts for advertisers. I don?t have a Google+ one yet - those kids introduce new technology way too often for me. I was using Gtalk and will likely join Google++ or whatever is developed.

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[bp3dots]

Long story short, when I was forced to sign up to a Google+ account to comment on youtube, I was shocked to see the contacts that google+ have recommended me were all from my personal phonebook which I never gave authorization. Some of my contact that I haven't spoke to in a long time shaw my G+ account too. They were just as clueless and shocked as me about this G+ thing too. It's so easy for google take our private data and spread it across the internet. Right then I realize I just sold myself to the devil. Imo, this is just the beginning of an evil empire lurking on your computer. If you google lovers don't see what I see now, in the future some of you will be in for a rude awaking. Guys, this is just my view and you might hate it now but you might thank me in the future for opening a new perspective.

Thanks for the answer.. It's been a while so I don't remember the opt in on contacts specifically, though, as Howarmat inquired, a synced gmail should auto populate.

As for the end of your comment, I'm not sure what you're getting at. I'm aware what I'm sharing and have made the necessary adjustments to my privacy settings. I also have an "empty" Google account for spam, etc that serves just fine for things like commenting as well.

[RexdaleNap]

You probably have more control over where your data goes in android. Especially with root, and with knowing it's insecure.

The Google thing is w.e the z10 doesn't even play hd video properly who cares about commenting.

At the end of the day, the fact that a 350 nexus had hardware ahead if what BlackBerry will have for a year or two says it all.

Year or two you ask? Z10 is a 2012 phone, it's almost 2014 no replacement for it.

Z30 is late 2012/early 2013 we are already on the snapdragon 800 and with the s5 a 2k res screen. Meaning an iPhone for example which has 1/3rd the pixels of an s4 will be twice as behind.

Google now aline is worth Google getting my fake name and data. Ever heard of a guy named Littlejohn baptisteventura that's my Google name never banned. I have multiple accounts with fake data it's w.e


If you have mission critical data use BlackBerry. In most cases though go offline. Or keep a BlackBerry and an android as you can get a z10 cheap now. There are many uses but saying it's better at everything is a lie.

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[Omnitech]

You probably have more control over where your data goes in android. Especially with root, and with knowing it's insecure.

The Google thing is w.e the z10 doesn't even play hd video properly who cares about commenting.

At the end of the day, the fact that a 350 nexus had hardware ahead if what BlackBerry will have for a year or two says it all.

Year or two you ask? Z10 is a 2012 phone, it's almost 2014 no replacement for it.

I guess I shouldn't be particularly surprised, given your posting history here, but I suppose you conveniently forgot about the Z30, eh? Sells for the same price that the Z10 sold for when it was introduced.

Z30 is late 2012/early 2013 we are already on the snapdragon 800 and with the s5 a 2k res screen. Meaning an iPhone for example which has 1/3rd the pixels of an s4 will be twice as behind.

And if you can actually see the difference with pixels that small I will give you $100. Specsmanship is stupid especially when there are substantial differences in the efficiency of the software that is running on that hardware. (In short: BB10 is the most efficient smartphone OS on the market.)

Google now aline is worth Google getting my fake name and data. Ever heard of a guy named Littlejohn baptisteventura that's my Google name never banned. I have multiple accounts with fake data it's w.e

And as many have already posted here, Google tries very hard to prevent people from doing precisely what you are claiming to be doing: using fake data to open G+ accounts. Life is not so simple.

[Kimberella]

I guess I shouldn't be particularly surprised, given your posting history here, but I suppose you conveniently forgot about the Z30, eh? Sells for the same price that the Z10 sold for when it was introduced.





And if you can actually see the difference with pixels that small I will give you $100. Specsmanship is stupid especially when there are substantial differences in the efficiency of the software that is running on that hardware. (In short: BB10 is the most efficient smartphone OS on the market.)






And as many have already posted here, Google tries very hard to prevent people from doing precisely what you are claiming to be doing: using fake data to open G+ accounts. Life is not so simple.

Specsmanship #noiice

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[RexdaleNap]

I guess I shouldn't be particularly surprised, given your posting history here, but I suppose you conveniently forgot about the Z30, eh? Sells for the same price that the Z10 sold for when it was introduced.





And if you can actually see the difference with pixels that small I will give you $100. Specsmanship is stupid especially when there are substantial differences in the efficiency of the software that is running on that hardware. (In short: BB10 is the most efficient smartphone OS on the market.)






And as many have already posted here, Google tries very hard to prevent people from doing precisely what you are claiming to be doing: using fake data to open G+ accounts. Life is not so simple.

I can and so can many people. See displaymate article on why retina display is a false moniker.

Also retina changes (the fake monikor) depending on hold distance. I have no experience with the z30 but it is below 300 ppi.

The bb10 micro kernel is not efficient if it can't run on 1 gig. It may precompile code like apple, which android is only starting to do so I'll give it that.

Overall, if there was stronger hardware I would use it. The z10 is a laggy troll compared to android, I doubt z30 is much different based on specs alone.

You only call it specmanship because your brand of choice doesn't have specs. I come from the pc overclocking world, power does make a difference.

You just don't want to admit it, but you'll realize in time. BlackBerry is for business not power users, that's all I'll say.

Primarily that's due to the hub always sucking resources. And btw, the z30 is still an s4 pro we see that from geek bench and antutu it's like an s3 or nexus 4.

I'm not going to post anymore, because I look like a troll. I don't have a case for my note, so I'm on the z. No android central app on it.

Honestly though, we'll see how art affects thing. Android compiles as you run the app, for compatibility.

As in it creates the code into something you can run. Ios is precompiled making it faster and less resource intensive.

Having code you don't have to compile is better for compatibility. Kitkat now compiles code on install, making installs longer but the app runs faster after.

I don't know about bb10. Most recently as of 10 min ago the browser stops responding on mobile Facebook.

The order you run code is pretty much the largest differentiator performance wise between os. With the new one being up to 100% faster, and more as time goes on you'll see why a dual core 1gb ram will become obsolete.

Or w.e specs apple and BlackBerry have in the next year or two. You need to read and understand these things, android is doing more work running the same app right now, what about when it's the same or less?

I'll let you know about performance changes when 4.4 hits. I like bb10 gestures but I also like my data remaining intact when I flash on note.

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[DenverRalphy]

Long story short, when I was forced to sign up to a Google+ account to comment on youtube, I was shocked to see the contacts that google+ have recommended me were all from my personal phonebook which I never gave authorization. Some of my contact that I haven't spoke to in a long time shaw my G+ account too. They were just as clueless and shocked as me about this G+ thing too. It's so easy for google take our private data and spread it across the internet. Right then I realize I just sold myself to the devil. Imo, this is just the beginning of an evil empire lurking on your computer. If you google lovers don't see what I see now, in the future some of you will be in for a rude awaking. Guys, this is just my view and you might hate it now but you might thank me in the future for opening a new perspective.

What data was taken and spread across the internet? None. All you saw was a list informing you which of your Google contacts have a G+ account, and giving you an opportunity to add them to your G+ circles. Until you add them to your G+ circles (same as following someone on Twitter), they can't see any of your information that you haven't intentionally designated as "public". Conversely, even if you add them to your circles, you still can't see any of their information until they add you to their own circles or unless they specifically designated some of their information to "public". It works identically in both directions. You can dig all you want for information on G+ users, but unless they specifically add you or post publicly, you won't find squat. Google doesn't aggregate user information and just hand it out willy nilly.

Furthermore, that list of recommended contacts from your personal phonebook would only populate if you had sync'd that phonebook/contacts-list to your Google contacts.

[Omnitech]

The bb10 micro kernel is not efficient if it can't run on 1 gig.

It can run on probably tens of MB. But BlackBerry 10 is not Neutrino, just like OS-X is not Mach and Windows is not kernel32.dll.

The z10 is a laggy troll compared to android

Which would make you probably one of the few people in the world that has actually experienced both and makes such a claim. In short, it doesn't hold water.

You only call it specmanship because your brand of choice doesn't have specs. I come from the pc overclocking world, power does make a difference.

I call it specsmanship because buying products and platforms sight-unseen simply over hardware spec is a stupid buying/ownership criteria. By that measure you'll be trying to tell us that the 2 litre engines in Formula One cars are little toys that can't get out of their own way because their displacement is too small.

Oh and BTW - the "PC overclocking world" is all using the same platform. That makes the hardware differences more significant, but not necessarily significant because there are many cases where in practical use, increasing hardware power doesn't improve the user experience. (ie in a PC, if you are I/O bound, putting a blazing CPU on there probably won't help a hell of a lot when it comes to loading the next game level.)

You just don't want to admit it, but you'll realize in time.

ROFLcopter

I'm not going to post anymore, because I look like a troll.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

[Omnitech]

As the crux of this thread is about trying to protect our personal information, this story is applicable: US border control accessed private medical records- The Inquirer

While we have no idea how the states obtained this information, if in fact they did. However, if true it does throw a rather large wrench in to the idi0tic argument that if you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't care if the government collects your personal information.

The issue that I keep seeing over and over again, is explained by the classic cypherpunk motto: Information Wants To Be Free.

If you collect data, people will want to get their hands on it. Even when they shouldn't have it.

In the old days, the sheer effort and time required to access bulk data and search for bits of interest was so large (ie, you might have to travel to a place thousands of miles away and pay a substantial fee to look through piles of papers in some government office, and manually search for things, assuming the records were publicly available at all), that only the most valuable data was sought out by the most motivated (and/or wealthy etc) parties. Security specialists would call this "security by obscurity".

But today, with the digitization of so much personal information and publishing of data online, and with the availability of modern data-mining techniques, it is now trivial to store and instantly access massive amounts of information on almost anyone in a "modern" society such as the USA.

And this is where legislators have failed the citizenry. Due to a combination of ignorance of technology and being heavily lobbied by commercial and governmental interests that wish to gain access to that treasure-trove of data, they have failed to adapt to this privacy paradigm-shift and put in strong limits on access to this data. The simple fact that the data exists is often enough for people to want to get their mitts on it, because they can. This is unacceptable, and legislators need to be pressured to grasp the implications that this technological paradigm-shift has on liberty and democracy.

And nowhere has this been more highlighted in recent times than by the various recent disclosures by Edward Snowden. I hope people finally pull their collective heads out of their collective *sses on this. People are being seriously duped by all the self-interested parties preaching "privacy is yesterday". As If. We can maintain most of the benefits of Big Data without most of the detriments, but we need to do this in legislative and technological ways that are robust.