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  1. CrackBerry Kevin's Avatar
    Hey All,

    Time for another State of the CrackBerry Nation Address and I'll do my best to keep it from turning into too long a novel.

    Here's the deal. While things are mainly good here on the busiest and best BlackBerry forum on the net, a lot of members, including myself, are starting to get really annoyed with some of the posts being made by a small group of individuals. We have a lot of names for these undesirables (most of them which would get filtered out if I tried to use them here), so let's call them by the Internet accepted name, TROLLS.

    What's a Forum Troll? It's a person who likes nothing better than to seek negative attention by stirring the pot. In the case of CrackBerry these days, you'll find these people are the ones who take a thread that's about one specific topic, and somehow turn it back onto a negative topic of the troll's choosing. They're the ones who drop a one line statement of BlackBerry negativity into a thread that was about something totally different, derailing the conversation and turning it into a pi$$ing match. When you look at the threads by a forum troll, you'll find the vast majority of them add little to no value to the CrackBerry community. Sure they're making posts and chiming in here or there, but it's really of no value. They're not helping anybody, and they're not adding anything to the conversation that hasn't already been heard by everyone, as they've already trolled it out there every chance they've had. Instead of adding value to the forums, they aim to undo the forums.

    I've never quite understood why somebody would want to troll to begin with. I'm sure there are lots of reasons. Some might just be jaded individuals who have too much time on their hands and nothing better to do. It makes them feel big. I've even heard stories of companies paying people to troll against products online and even of sites having members try to invade other sites to cause a stir. Whatever the intent is really doesn't matter - the end result is we're going to be taking out the troll trash.

    Our CrackBerry forum community serves two primary groups of users:

    1. It's a BlackBerry enthusiast community where people who are knowledgeable of BlackBerry Products come to meet. They may love BlackBerry, like BlackBerry, or even be a little unimpressed by BlackBerry at the moment, but they respect the company and our community. And of course, having awesome knowledge of all things BlackBerry, this enthusiast core helps the BlackBerry owners who come to the site looking for help.

    2. CrackBerry is a help forum. One of the main reasons members join CrackBerry is simply to ask for help with an issue they're having. If they can't find the answer by browsing the forums, they register and ask the question. You'll notice that most of the time when looking at CrackBerry's forum homepage statistics that show the number of members logged in vs. the number that are browsing, that the vast majority are simply browsing (often a 10:1 ratio). These are people not logged in, but are simply reading the forums looking for their answers. Most people don't want to register with a website -- they're already registered with enough sites as it is -- but they still need help, and are a valued part of our community, albeit not a vocal one. We as a community help these casual browsers when our engaged core community helps the members who do come to the site looking for a help. One answered question on the forums will help thousands of people over the following year or two.

    Trolls don't fit into the above. I have no issue with people saying negative things about BlackBerry. Over the years we've always kept these forums very open and loosely moderated. I don't like to clamp down on conversation, and I don't expect everybody on these forums to get along. I've used the analogy before that we call ourselves Crackberry Nation, and if you think smaller -- like the city you live in -- not everybody gets a long as one big happy family. There's some people you'll like, and some people you won't. The diversity and varying points of view are what make this forum awesome. But having something negative to say based on a formed opinion when you put it out there is one thing, and simply chiming in with crap to stir the pot is another. Just like nations put away the unsavory of society (they go to jail as they're not wanted walking the streets), we're going to do the same here with trolls. If you can't respect the community and its members, it's time for you to leave.

    As for any of you who've been around a long time and think this is bad for CrackBerry and don't like this announcement, the truth is this isn't anything new or harsh here. Our sibling sites' forums (AndroidCentral, PreCentral, TiPb.com) all moderate their communities this way. Me being easy going and not easily offended have always aimed to keep things very lax here. But enough is enough. So we're bringing up our troll modding to the level of our other Smartphone Experts sites.

    So that's it. We're not clamping down on conversation. But we'll be zeroing in on the trolls past, present and future who don't add any value to this community and will be taking out the trash-talking trolls to the trash.

    Let's make this a friendlier CrackBery community, starting now.

    Kevin

    PS. If you spot a troll, don't feed him. Report him or her to the moderation team.
    04-27-11 04:40 PM
  2. avt123's Avatar
    Hopefully this will help bring things back to the way they were over a year ago. Great post Kevin.
    04-27-11 04:46 PM
  3. andyahs's Avatar
    Thank you Kevin as this is long overdue!
    rrspikes, mzceetee and Neely2005 like this.
    04-27-11 04:48 PM
  4. Mojave's Avatar
    Thank you Kevin as this is long overdue!
    +1 on that!!!!! Thanks Kevin.
    04-27-11 04:53 PM
  5. Technerd.McLeod's Avatar
    Thank you Kevin as this is long overdue!

    +2 to that.

    Thank you Kevin so much! I couldn't resist coming back here, even after I said I wasn't going to. But now I'm glad I couldn't resist. This is what I wanted, and something that was definitely needed.
    04-27-11 04:56 PM
  6. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Excellent! Thank you, Kevin.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    04-27-11 04:56 PM
  7. enb123's Avatar
    That's great news - thanks!

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    04-27-11 05:01 PM
  8. russnash's Avatar
    Thank you for making this statement, Kevin. It's encouraging to see a stance being taken and intent registered with the community.
    04-27-11 05:01 PM
  9. Eli_B's Avatar
    Thank you, Kevin
    04-27-11 05:02 PM
  10. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    Hopefully this will help bring things back to the way they were over a year ago. Great post Kevin.
    Better make that two. *echem* StormTroopers

    Nice job fearless leader.
    04-27-11 05:02 PM
  11. _StephenBB81's Avatar
    Meh, could have been great news
    Last edited by deRusett; 09-18-12 at 09:05 AM.
    04-27-11 05:02 PM
  12. SnoozerBold's Avatar
    this os great news. Thank you.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    04-27-11 05:05 PM
  13. konaman01's Avatar
    Thanks Kevin, its become quite annoying.
    Anilu7 likes this.
    04-27-11 05:05 PM
  14. gregorylkelly's Avatar
    Is it safe to assume that this would be the wrong time to troll?

    I'm just kidding, I hate trolls as much as anyone else. I've been waiting for CrackBerry to CrackDown on the trolls for a while now!
    quellerie likes this.
    04-27-11 05:08 PM
  15. CrackBerry Kevin's Avatar
    Don't think you'll need to worry there. We're not turning CB into a CULT where we force you to drink the Kool Aid and can't talk anything but what we preach. I always welcome the back and forth debates, and I don't mind rants... as long as they're based on something real. Half-baked mindless rants based on nonsense crap shouldn't and won't be tolerated though. Again, there's a way to rant and express an opposing opinion where it still ADDS value to the community. There's also a way to express it where it adds NO value to the community. It's pretty easy to know which is which in my opinion, so hopefully those posting get this.

    Excellent Start,

    BUT I do hope we remain more loosely moderated than the sister sites,

    As I don't want to receive a 24hour Ban when I suggest someone buy an Android, or iPhone over a Blackberry.

    Or when I go on a Rant about Poor quality in a RIM product, be it software or hardware.

    I really hope to see some weigh in comments from those who are Active "antagonistic" posters, though are not doing so in such a way as to create a fight, but rather bring a view from the other side as to their feelings of this new direction and what their concerns are.
    bayotte, donemt, andyahs and 16 others like this.
    04-27-11 05:12 PM
  16. BergerKing's Avatar
    Thank you, Kevin, for letting us know that it's time to rein into the trolling, and for the other folks to not only stop feeding the trolls, but not quote them, either. Quoting a troll just makes it harder on the Mod team, and in the case of members who care, either continues the trolls' ego boost or causes them to lose posts.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    Last edited by BergerKing; 04-27-11 at 05:22 PM.
    04-27-11 05:15 PM
  17. avt123's Avatar
    Better make that two. *echem* StormTroopers

    Nice job fearless leader.
    Haha, yea that is very true. CB before the original Storm was amazing.
    04-27-11 05:20 PM
  18. canook's Avatar
    Thank the lord

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    04-27-11 05:24 PM
  19. ericlc2's Avatar
    This is greatly appreciated.
    04-27-11 05:28 PM
  20. moiselles's Avatar
    Thank you soooo much. All the negativity really gets old after awhile.
    04-27-11 05:36 PM
  21. Elite1's Avatar
    Great to hear! Can't wait to see this enacted. I come here to help others, as do at least half the other posters in this thread. (Probably more, I just don't know everyone!) It can be very distracting and discouraging seeing some threads devolve into childish bickering because of a sour poster or two.

    Viva la CB!
    04-27-11 05:45 PM
  22. Jmilles's Avatar
    Kevin, Thank you for this post....
    I am reading here for almost a year now but registered only today.. (by a request of a friend from this community to join and share some information about blackberry)

    I really like it here... and i believe that cleaning up the forums from trolls will give us back a great community..

    it was interesting to read this post. i think that some users just want to get attention and doing it by posting negative junk. but junk should be outside.
    04-27-11 05:45 PM
  23. psiclne's Avatar
    Im sure Im not the only one wondering.....so I'll take one for the team - but what if that person we want to report is a MOD?
    04-27-11 05:55 PM
  24. SCrid2000's Avatar
    Mother. Freaking. Awesome.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    04-27-11 06:01 PM
  25. mmcpher's Avatar
    It's a welcome post, but I too, hope you err on the side of tolerance. It's not that I'd miss the odd troll post here (R.I.M. is dead/evil/dying/stupid/fat or a certain poster is "fat, broke, bald, armed and angry") under a clampdown, but I'd be concerned about a chilling effect. This site is sharply focused enough that it necessarily contains and elicits some sharp opinions and observations, which makes it interesting and entertaining. I wouldn't want it to drift into the doldrums. I guess things get a little testier around major product releases, and this pining for updates makes everyone all the edgier.
    04-27-11 06:04 PM
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