Browser traffic still using the NOC?

**belfastdispatcher** · 02-11-2013, 05:15 AM

I have noticed every time the BlackBerry symbol is missing from the signal I cannot use the browser, this tells me all the browser traffic is still going trough the NOC and therefore compression still applies.

It happened just 10 minutes ago going inside a building when the signal changed from 3G to 2G, for a couple of minutes there was no BlackBerry symbol beside the signal and I was able to test ut again, the browser cannot be used without the symbol there. As soon as the symbol came back the Web page loaded.

I thing we can safely say we still have compression.

Thoughts?

**belfastdispatcher** · 02-11-2013, 05:17 AM

Next time this happens I will try sending an email to see if it also uses the NOC

**howarmat** · 02-11-2013, 05:21 AM

cant you tell by an ip check? if its BB ip then yes it would but otherwise it would be a IP from you carrier

**belfastdispatcher** · 02-11-2013, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by howarmat

cant you tell by an ip check? if its BB ip then yes it would but otherwise it would be a IP from you carrier

How do I do that?

Traditionally with my 9700 the connection would be separate, if I would watch a YouTube video the BlackBerry symbol would dissappear. On my 9900 didn't so while watching YouTube I would still have the BIS connection receiving emails and bbms. n the case of an outage when the symbol disappears I had to navigate to the carrier bookmark in the browser to be able to use it on the direct carier connection.

The thing is my Z10 appears to be behaving the same as my 9900 when I comes to the carrier connection

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**belfastdispatcher** · 02-11-2013, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by howarmat

cant you tell by an ip check? if its BB ip then yes it would but otherwise it would be a IP from you carrier

Without the BlackBerry symbol emails are not sending.

I'm more and more convinced all internet traffic is still routed trough the NOC.

**howarmat** · 02-11-2013, 06:03 AM

What Is My IP Address? Lookup IP, Hide IP, Change IP, Trace IP and more...

**belfastdispatcher** · 02-11-2013, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by howarmat

What Is My IP Address? Lookup IP, Hide IP, Change IP, Trace IP and more...

That says Vodafone

**blue_k** · 02-11-2013, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by belfastdispatcher

That says Vodafone

I don't think it's using the NOC then. As my Curve 8530 on Virgin Mobile USA anyway says that my ISP is Reasearch in Motion, and that I am connecting through a internet sharing device.

**belfastdispatcher** · 02-11-2013, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by blue_k

I don't think it's using the NOC then. As my Curve 8530 on Virgin Mobile USA anyway says that my ISP is Reasearch in Motion, and that I am connecting through a internet sharing device.

Yes, you'd think that but that's with a traditional bis account. My IP might say Vodafone but we know bbm does use the NOC without showing rim as the ip.

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**howarmat** · 02-11-2013, 06:35 AM

Sure BBM uses BB servers but it appears that the browser does not

**belfastdispatcher** · 02-11-2013, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by howarmat

Sure BBM uses BB servers but it appears that the browser does not

Then why does it not work without the BlackBerry symbol next to the signal?

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**bobauckland** · 02-11-2013, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by belfastdispatcher

Then why does it not work without the BlackBerry symbol next to the signal?

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Because the browser and email system are buggy.
I was in a situation the day before where signal wasn't great, it dropped from HSPA to 3G, the BlackBerry symbol was still there, and emails wouldn't send or receive.
Sometimes BBMs get a tick next to them but don't get delivered.
It's nowt to do with going through the NOC, its just sometimes only a reboot gets things flowing again.

**belfastdispatcher** · 02-11-2013, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by bobauckland

Because the browser and email system are buggy.
I was in a situation the day before where signal wasn't great, it dropped from HSPA to 3G, the BlackBerry symbol was still there, and emails wouldn't send or receive.
Sometimes BBMs get a tick next to them but don't get delivered.
It's nowt to do with going through the NOC, its just sometimes only a reboot gets things flowing again.

I can't say I've experienced that but what I know is my Z10 behaves exactly the same as my 9900 did, signal goes from 3g to 3G to 3G plus the BlackBerry symbol beside it and only when the symbol is there the Internet connection works.

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**belfastdispatcher** · 02-11-2013, 07:25 AM

I guess we'll all find out at the next major outage.

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**ichat** · 02-11-2013, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by belfastdispatcher

I guess we'll all find out at the next major outage.

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NOOO!!!!!!!!!!
I believe it doesnt go through NOC because didnt BB say they used ActivSync?????

Browser, I believe is direct...

**belfastdispatcher** · 02-11-2013, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by ichat

NOOO!!!!!!!!!!
I believe it doesnt go through NOC because didnt BB say they used ActivSync?????

Browser, I believe is direct...

Well the carrier always sat between the phone and the NOC no?

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**ichat** · 02-11-2013, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by belfastdispatcher

Well the carrier always sat between the phone and the NOC no?

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Very true, so I guess you're right, we need to see an outage of some sort to see if it behaves like conventional BIS. Conventional BIS was Phone>Carrier>Blackberry>Carrier>Phone

**mtint** · 02-11-2013, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by belfastdispatcher

Well the carrier always sat between the phone and the NOC no?

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It is also possible the "issue", lost/no cnnection, is with your Telco - then BB mark will be gone as well

**bobauckland** · 02-11-2013, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by belfastdispatcher

I guess we'll all find out at the next major outage.

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Hopefully it won't come to that.
But man, I can't believe the communication from BlackBerry, how hard can it be to just clarify things for people instead of leaving everyone guessing?

**belfastdispatcher** · 02-11-2013, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by bobauckland

Hopefully it won't come to that.
But man, I can't believe the communication from BlackBerry, how hard can it be to just clarify things for people instead of leaving everyone guessing?

I've reached out to somebody I know at BlackBerry and this is what I got back but bare in mind neither him or I are very technical.

"Carrier APN is used for everything, rim APN is no longer used"

At the same time I am 100% sure BBM still uses the NOC. (I've seen it in a yet to be released advert)

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**kbz1960** · 02-11-2013, 08:52 AM

Be nice if someone got a definitive answer about this.

**bobauckland** · 02-11-2013, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by belfastdispatcher

I've reached out to somebody I know at BlackBerry and this is what I got back but bare in mind neither him or I are very technical.

"Carrier APN is used for everything, rim APN is no longer used"

At the same time I am 100% sure BBM still uses the NOC. (I've seen it in a yet to be released advert)

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I don't think that BlackBerry symbol comes up unless the NOC is being used for something, so clearly it is being used for something.
I don't know. Very unclear.
I do know my data usage is way higher than on my 9900, and plenty of people are finding the same.
I'd say that's proof right there the NOC isn't involved in a lot of stuff it was previously involved in.

**belfastdispatcher** · 02-11-2013, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by bobauckland

I don't think that BlackBerry symbol comes up unless the NOC is being used for something, so clearly it is being used for something.
I don't know. Very unclear.
I do know my data usage is way higher than on my 9900, and plenty of people are finding the same.
I'd say that's proof right there the NOC isn't involved in a lot of stuff it was previously involved in.

Well for a start don't forget it has browser flash, that's bound to use more data.

**undone** · 02-11-2013, 09:30 AM

A trace route should be all the detail you need to see how your device is inter-operating with the web. If its the NOC is will act as forward/proxy server and will show up as such ( something.rdns.blackberry.net is what I got on my 9900). I used network-tools.com and their trace route.