- 01-30-13, 03:58 PM #102
Re: Blame Verizon / ATT, not Blackberry
If the device was 100% ready for primetime I think we would see it on the us carriers. I think rim put a concrete launch date and could not afford another worldwide delay. If they released this halfbaked in the US they would be lit up. they need thisto be a successful launch in the US. Carriers here are not going to push a device that is going to give them headaches.
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01-30-13, 04:52 PM #104
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If anyone has tried to get a product through UL or CE, you can understand the nightmare of red tape, endless questions, and silly requirements of the approval process. I suspect the carrier certification is similar. But it's their game and their rules, if you want to play.
- 01-30-13, 05:41 PM #106I wonder what the fu@k happened?! This is a huge mistake like they used to make when Mike and Jim were in charge. 2 fu@cking months is absolutely unacceptable.
Either way BlackBerry is to blame. Even if it was the just carriers being douches.. Then either BlackBerry should have given them a device earlier or announced BB10 4 weeks later, so that the wait wasn't so long after their announcement. You can't announce a new product and then launch it in the US 8 weeks/2months later... WTF is Thor thinking???
Last time I checked Wall Street was in the U.S. and that is where BlackBerry is getting pounded financially. Why would they fu@k up the U.S. market so badly??
I am simply stunned by this.. This is going to cost BlackBerry A LOT of business.
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01-30-13, 05:51 PM #108
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The way i see how it all happened is this: RIM met with all carriers. they gave them test devices. they told them that the target release date is 1st quarter (latest end of march). They told the carrier to get back to them when it will be release. most probably UK, CAN and UAE carriers all got back to RIM but not US carriers!
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01-30-13, 07:05 PM #113
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4 separate operating companies and all of them at the same time can not do their own individual testing? And while this failure to act was going on RIM was sitting idle waiting for some one to call and say we are done testing the phone! Some one in RIM should have some major explaining or be cleaning out his desk. This is not so important for consumers as it is important for the Media and the Stock Market! I blame a company who has been working for what seems to be forever not having some one at the same time working just as hard to make sure the US carriers were willing to be ready for this launch. I am sure the US carriers need the extra time to load their garbage on the phones and find ways to charge us additional fees. I give the carriers and Blackberry both a failing grade for this delay.
- 01-30-13, 07:18 PM #114
- 01-30-13, 07:27 PM #115
- 01-30-13, 08:32 PM #116
Re: Blame Verizon / ATT, not Blackberry
I think the carriers are being cautious. They already got burned by the the Storm, the Storm 2, the Torch, the Torch 2. They are waiting to see if Blackberry can be a hit first in other markets before pushing their phones. Similar to windows phone. Blackberry had its hayday. They gotta start at the bottom again. Get in line.
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For the record, I'll admit BB perhaps could have tried something else,
1. but with all they stood to gain by getting an earlier US release
2. combined with US carriers already having an established reputation for heavier and longer carrier testing
Then I'm led to believe BB hit a wall and couldn't go any further, other than hiring Sylvester Stallone and The Expedables to attack Verizon HQ, or maybe take a $50 billion loan out to bribe Verizon with a small nation of their own.
McDonald's Facks up my order at the Drive thru window and doesn't give me what I ordered in a timely manner. But rather than blame the staff member for the delay screwup, I contact the meat supplier and hold them responsible.
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01-31-13, 02:10 AM #119
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I posted other thread as well but I believe this delay is more to do with US carrier than Blackberry's doing. There is no good reason i can think of to delay US launch when they are trying to get back to US market. They simply can't afford to. For carriers, they might lose bb sales while waiting for release date but they will sell something else instead. Sales is sales, doesn't matter what brand customers buy. On top of that If Blackberry was delaying bb10 on purpose in US, why CEO was in NY at the launch event instead of UK as UK is the first to get bb10 & spend outrageous amount of money for Superbowl commercial. I know Superbowl commercial is viewed not only by Americans but still main target must be Americans. Doesn't make sense any other way. This is my take anyway.
- 01-31-13, 04:35 AM #122
From what I recall - most companies release the device within a week or 2 of announcement. I think RIM did the same thing when they released the 9900's - announced it and then released it months later. Playbook maybe too?
- 01-31-13, 04:37 AM #123
- 01-31-13, 05:34 AM #124
Someone here is not telling the truth. The more I think about it the less sense it makes. In the United States not 1 carrier will have the phone until March. This doesn't seem like it is the carriers holding off, it seems like it is Blackberry. What did T-Mobile, Sprint, Verizon, & At&t all have a secret meeting and determine that they will hold off until March collectively? Sounds like a conspiracy theory.
What makes more sense is that for whatever reason, Blackberry is the reason phones wont be released until March in the US. Who knows why. Maybe they need sales from other countries to finance their marketing push for the US. Maybe they are afraid the US will not accept the phone and that other countries will follow. All I know is that this is a slap in the face. Who does Blackberry think they are coming to NY, acknowledging the influence of a release in this country, and then in the same breath delaying it there? Smart move Blackberry.
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01-31-13, 06:17 AM #125
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I think you guys are forgetting one thing: marketshare. You seem to think that BlackBerry believes that they will reclaim their lost marketshare with this first release, they don't. If you have listened to them, you would realise that this first release is for BlackBerry People, the people who have stayed with the brand during that lean years. UK and Canada are markets where they have a large share and they are guaranteed sales. In the US, it is an upward battle. The OS takes some getting used to and by the time, it reaches the US, it would have been in use by several million people and you can get honestly real life reviews instead of critic reviews.
It was said during the keynote, this is the beginning, not the end. This is not an Apple launch, where Apple has the power and carriers want the iPhone. This BlackBerry who has been the **** of people's jokes. BlackBerry has no power in the US, no real marketshare to shout about, they can't afford to throw money at the problem. So they are fighting this the only way they can, through a grassroots campaign. Get the phone in the hands of the people who actually want it and let them show off the cool features they find to their friends. It is the only way that they are ever going to gain traction. They are not selling a product, they selling an experience, they released it in the markets where they can get it into as many hands as possible and that means launching in Canada and the UK first.
Imagine you are a BlackBerry user in Canada or the UK and they launch in the US first to poor sales, would you still get one or would look elsewhere?
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