BlackBerry's share of the global smartphone market is now officially 0%
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Also, the amazon appstore is a second thought for most android developers, as seen by out of date or actually missing apps.02-18-17 04:04 PMLike 0 - I once again thank you for your diligent and informed contributions to the forums, Conite. You have my respect and appreciation.
I assume you are of an age that you do not lose sleep when someone disagrees with you; I certainly am. In this opinion of yours I disagree. So I'll drop it.Last edited by CharlieV; 02-18-17 at 04:27 PM.
02-18-17 04:08 PMLike 0 -
- We haven't it rock bottom until now (based on this article). I'm not falling for the negativity. Pushing forward and continuing to ride this ship until the bitter end. Based on the licensing deal, we have devices for at least 3 years. Let's see how the next couple years plays out...I'm willing to give Blackberry Mobile a shot!CharlieV likes this.02-18-17 10:14 PMLike 1
- Chen took us to android ,the biggest market share out there and made it possible to download apps like hearing aid software, and trade show android apps that are valuable in daily living , which BlackBerry OS couldn't perform or deliver .Priv provides a great email hub and productivity ability with so many BlackBerry shortcuts and features that made Blackberry, a Blackberry. A lot of the BlackBerry sweet meat is now wrapped in android skin. He saved BlackBerryBfalcon1 likes this.02-19-17 05:56 AMLike 1
- Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesI personally think Google choked off BlackBerry 10 and BlackBerry in general by not allowing access to its play store, by not bending the rules a little.
The funny thing is that, for years, the industry has predicted the end of apps in favor of browser oriented cloud interaction. Had that happened sooner, BlackBerry might have had a chance.Carjackd and Thud Hardsmack like this.02-19-17 07:03 AMLike 2 - Do you really think any company can profit from developing their own OS and selling 2-3 million handsets a year? What kind of magic would allow BlackBerry to field hardware and software spending 100 times less than Google or Apple?
The way it works is that the hardware design team was laid off probably two years ago and the BB10 development team was laid off about a year ago. You sell fewer and fewer handsets while your costs go down at the same time. Shut down the hardware program without hurting the company financials. Then, rent out your hardware brand for $1 a handset and sprinkle your security dust on the OS for as long as people believe it.
They haven't licensed anything in android that will make them money.
It's still bb10 phones, not android phones, which sell now.
All they could have done was to just not develop android hardware and continue to support bb10 updates.
That would have shown that they could be trusted to support a product and their customers and people would have deserted the platform at a lower pace.
They would have sold even more bb10 phones than they sell today and they could have become cash positive, say, last year.
That would only have instilled more confidence in their revival as a software company.
Now, nobody believes that they are a credible software company. They haven't developed any software since Chen joined.
Developing some Andoid apps is all they've done..but nobody downloads them...
They merely acquired some companies and are trying to license pre-existing IP of diminishing value as it becomes outdated.
We'll see how long that's going to last.
Posted via CB1002-19-17 08:04 AMLike 0 - That is not what I wrote. The end would have been inevitable for bb10, just like it it was with android BlackBerry, but it would have been an honorable one with less waste on android which was pointed out as an illogical decision by many of us here two years ago.
They haven't licensed anything in android that will make them money.
It's still bb10 phones, not android phones, which sell now.
All they could have done was to just not develop android hardware and continue to support bb10 updates.
That would have shown that they could be trusted to support a product and their customers and people would have deserted the platform at a lower pace.
They would have sold even more bb10 phones than they sell today and they could have become cash positive, say, last year.
That would only have instilled more confidence in their revival as a software company.
Now, nobody believes that they are a credible software company. They haven't developed any software since Chen joined.
Developing some Andoid apps is all they've done..but nobody downloads them...
They merely acquired some companies and are trying to license pre-existing IP of diminishing value as it becomes outdated.
We'll see how long that's going to last.
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Plus, why do you say they aren't earning revenues from licencing BlackBerry Android to their three licencees? Were that the case, they wouldn't have bothered with the exercise.
If anything, I would think that BlackBerry's continued involvement with devices (BlackBerry Android), may have bolstered customer confidence that BlackBerry wasn't going anywhere, and may have helped sales of BB10 - instead of an earlier wind down.Last edited by conite; 02-19-17 at 11:25 AM.
02-19-17 09:06 AMLike 0 -
Sure, the CrackBerry world could have been forced to use BB10 until the bitter end but the 99.5% of the world outside of these walls does not just look to see what BlackBerry has to offer them next. If BlackBerry doesn't make a smartphone that runs your essential apps then you walk or drive by a smartphone store every day that can solve your problem and you can move on with your non-CrackBerry life.
During the first few months, Chen went around and asked BlackBerry customers what they wanted and they said apps. Then he asked his team how long that would take and they said a couple of years - to get Android going. It was planned from the beginning. There was never any intention of staying with BB10. Chen let it slip several times over the years but PR team kicked in and what you heard was "committed" and that was good enough. They even stopped making them a year ago and there are still people waiting for the next one. Now the BB10 market-share is zero and people are complaining that they rounded 0.4% down as if it makes any real difference.
If you're on a sinking ship that 95% abandoned and take a poll among the remaining 5%, you will find a consensus that there's still a chance that it won't sink. I'll bet over at webOSNation, you can get into a debate whether webOS market share is zero or if they just misleadingly rounded 0.04% down and whether or not the LG webOS TVs and refrigerators should be counted.Last edited by early2bed; 02-19-17 at 11:29 AM.
02-19-17 11:16 AMLike 0 - Chen's and/or BlackBerry's board of directors gave the device business just enough rope to hang itself. The strategy did provide a 'soft landing' that was less of a shock to its employees, customers, and reputation...with at least enough of a customer base left to make licensing a viable option. I'm not sure that will ever be enough for some here. Oh well. Tough luck I guess!02-19-17 11:21 AMLike 0
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With samsung not announcing anything, they are one of very few companies offering something different at mobile congress.
Posted via CB1002-19-17 02:04 PMLike 0 - To paraphrase an old saying "Honor and $1.25 will get you a cup of coffee". I love BB10, but I wish now they had gone the Android route earlier so they could maybe turn BB-android into something better than what Android is today. I'm still hoping that Mercury will be the device that turns people back onto BlackBerry the way Priv just could not (at that price point). One week to go, and if TCL comes out at the right price maybe they can ride the good buzz they are getting now.
With samsung not announcing anything, they are one of very few companies offering something different at mobile congress.
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Posted Via Passport with CB10 app02-19-17 06:21 PMLike 0 - (1) it not surprise BB reach to zero - hardware has not be MFG for a while. it almost sold out the left over stock, compare to the other MFG, yearly production on the rise. MFG zero, market share eventually is going to be zero. I know, I know the dteck thing. next
(2) dtek rebranding of BB may make sense for financial MBAs, but may be a bait for long waiting CBs. (a) re-branding, especially, the unit that already in the market offers a little "cool" or "new" or "trendy", especially from a MFG that not represent high end... (re-branding a limited edition like 9982 might make sense if they allow you to do so). ya,ya the software and security thing. next.
(3) Hub got high download number - excellent. there is a market definitely for the UI, message, mail, security out there and BB is tap into it. You don't need dtek, good software, but not BB10 - proven point,imortant of hardware and software integration and UI made a lot of difference. now the stubborn 18 million still out there one way or the other... (1) the BBOS for the 3rd world that still works - resale BB is not going to increase market share. (2) the damn BB made it TOO reliable it lasting forever, except the battery = replacement start to be hard to find... (3) the BIS still out there earnning Chen few dollars, he is not ready to pull it trigger to kill it (BB10 didn't provide him any pocket money, except Gov may still want it).
(4) Is there hope of BB handset for BB mobile? (or TCL) sure. if all the stars line up: (1) there are still KB lover out there - market lack of KB good handset (2) stubborn 18 M users - 20% of such possibly is die hard BB10 fan which is constantly come to CB seek to extend few years of their beloved BB10. Remaining 20% will jump on if BB10 showed any sight of life with support and good design handset. Rest is budget constrained that will take what ever suit for their need based on local trend. If I were BB mobile, make sure the design is Business central to start with. Knowing those business guys and gals are willing to pay to dollar to be different, make sure no re-brand of stuff already in the market to start with. Since tTCL own the Palm brand. make it consumer brand... Both BB and Palm bring back good memory of the chaps that either in the high up position make some purchasing decision (like few here common on buy it for their staff), or the young chaps didn't even got chance to experience it. Just like instant photo become hot again, KB device with BB VKB overlay might catch on fire. BB10 with web app might work... if done properly.
(5) BB-droid? depend how much google is going to get into the hardware. if they are serious, hybrid is in trouble... software and hardware integration will made HUGE difference in terms of performance and touch feel... you play catch up game, is like you use 20=30 % of sammy components in your handset and try to compete to beat them in price war... prepare hard time in sight - better not be Charles Dickens time, but prepare for it.
(6) did I smell **** all over? hopefully, Merc is a rose...02-19-17 07:54 PMLike 0 - To paraphrase an old saying "Honor and $1.25 will get you a cup of coffee". I love BB10, but I wish now they had gone the Android route earlier so they could maybe turn BB-android into something better than what Android is today. I'm still hoping that Mercury will be the device that turns people back onto BlackBerry the way Priv just could not (at that price point). One week to go, and if TCL comes out at the right price maybe they can ride the good buzz they are getting now.
With samsung not announcing anything, they are one of very few companies offering something different at mobile congress.
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People who want android don't get it it from BlackBerry, they have many better options from vendors which pay attention to their user base.
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02-19-17 10:22 PMLike 0 - I don't see how that would have been more honorable. At some point, you have to pull the plug on 200 to 400 thousand customers who just bought BB10 handsets within the past three months . At that point, you still have about a million devices in the channels that either have to be sold or returned. Furthermore, there's no guarantee that the inevitable end would have happened on your timeline. With no hope for recovery, an abrupt cancellation of all hardware operations could have been executed when John Chen showed up. People here would have been howling for a BlackBerry-labeled Android phone so that they wouldn't have to suddenly be seen around with a Samsung or an iPhone after years of evangelizing BlackBerry. What if it was either transition to Android or full-stop in 2013?
It was his android strategy which didn't bring him the expected revenue which finally made him decide to kill hardware.
Had he abandoned bb10 in 2013, he and BlackBerry wouldn't be around.
Had he not switched to android, he would be better off now, likely cash positive.
During the first few months, Chen went around and asked BlackBerry customers what they wanted and they said apps. Then he asked his team how long that would take and they said a couple of years - to get Android going. It was planned from the beginning. There was never any intention of staying with BB10. Chen let it slip several times over the years but PR team kicked in and what you heard was "committed" and that was good enough. They even stopped making them a year ago and there are still people waiting for the next one. Now the BB10 market-share is zero and people are complaining that they rounded 0.4% down as if it makes any real difference.
Corporate customers buy from Apple or Samsung.
Why would they buy android from BlackBerry when they can buy android Knox from Samsung which even Chen said was as secure or more than BlackBerry android?
Posted via CB1002-19-17 10:34 PMLike 0 - I'm sorry, but I happen to know that BlackBerry has huge teams of world class developers (not from recent acquisitions), and they have been hard at work in the enterprise software space. To say BlackBerry hasn't developed anything is just flat out wrong.
Plus, why do you say they aren't earning revenues from licencing BlackBerry Android to their three licencees? Were that the case, they wouldn't have bothered with the exercise.
If anything, I would think that BlackBerry's continued involvement with devices (BlackBerry Android), may have bolstered customer confidence that BlackBerry wasn't going anywhere, and may have helped sales of BB10 - instead of an earlier wind down.
Chen didn't use their talent properly.
He laid off most of them and did not come up with new software products beyond the android apps.
If he did, it doesn't show up in revenue enough to stem the continuous drop in revenue for the past 3.5 years, despite spending over 1B dollars in acquisitions to buy some software revenue.
What Chen did right was to take control of the operations so that they didn't pre-order too many phones before selling them.
He knows how to cut costs, but he doesn't know how to build product.
You need someone who knows how to do both.
Chen's not the man for that.
Posted via CB1002-19-17 10:48 PMLike 0 - Prem WatsAppCrackBerry Jester of JestersAs long as one person is still using a BlackBerry (me), the market share isn't exactly 0%...
You might want to round down for convenience, but doesn't reflect the full truth.... :-D
• Mercurial greetings , hopefully coming soon to Planet Earth... :-D •02-20-17 02:00 AMLike 0 - Market share doesn't isn't the number of people using an OS, but how many people are still buying a new one. What you are referring to is the user base.02-20-17 02:33 AMLike 0
- Chen took us to android ,the biggest market share out there and made it possible to download apps like hearing aid software, and trade show android apps that are valuable in daily living , which BlackBerry OS couldn't perform or deliver .Priv provides a great email hub and productivity ability with so many BlackBerry shortcuts and features that made Blackberry, a Blackberry. A lot of the BlackBerry sweet meat is now wrapped in android skin. He saved BlackBerry
All Hail the Blessed Saviour!02-20-17 05:06 AMLike 0
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