Blackberry get rids of the in and out paradigm, The main messaging apps are already there on your hub.
Multitasking and keyboard is way better than android. On android you dont get the type of text prediction you have on BB10. Swipe? Swiftkey? Those are not android, those are apps. and are not free.. I have samsung galaxy s3 and I hate the user experience. I dont even get Twitter notifications.... and If you claim that BB10 camera is already done by the galaxy note 2, well that is ****! I have a flagship phone from Samsung and I dont have it!.
The point is that it cannot be called a Alpha low end device if the OS itself beats the so called Android High End device. That what you were talking about? isn't that clear?
More easy for you, because I dont want you to get confuse with these advance calculus.
You say: BB10 London is catching up, therefore, BB10 london is low end device
Nexus 4 has better hardware, therefore is a high end device
I say: BB10 is not low end device because it outperforms Nexus 4.
So bb10 is high end. What part confused you? how come is so difficult for you to see my point?
- 12-12-12, 10:05 PM #28
Please tell me about your experience using BlackBerry 10. Have you ever even been in the same room with a BlackBerry 10 device?
You claim BlackBerry 10 out perfoms Android 4.2.1, so please tell me about your experience with my Nexus 4's OS, since you know I'm sure you've used it. Lol
I'm not really sure what you are going on about, but you will notice that I'm not talking about the user experince or the going in and out of apps. I'm talking about the hardware. And no matter how you put it, the BlackBerry 10 devices will launch with hardware you find in low end devices. They are low end devices as far as hardware goes.
- 12-13-12, 10:56 AM #29
- 12-13-12, 11:48 AM #30
Just think. Samsung will announce the S IV a couple of weeks before the first BB10 devices get announced. Oh I sure hope Samsung goes with one of them there high end dual core S4s like the free on contract Galaxy Stellar uses. Lol you do know that the name S4 doesn't mean its a high end processor right? But hey thanks for bring it up and accidentally proving my point for me. Do a Google search. The completely low end, free on contract Samsung Galaxy Stellar uses a dual core S4 processor. The Pantech Marauder is another low end device that launched for free with a contract and it also uses the S4. These phones came out months ago as low end devices. How can anyone consider the L-series' hardware as high end when these undeniable and easily proven facts exists?
Nah Samsung will use current high end hardware. I wonder what the fanboys will say once there is a BB10 device launched with actual high end hardware. Actually no I'm pretty sure I know what they will say. They don't need it since all of em will be locked into a contract on a L-series or an N-series Lol.
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- 12-13-12, 11:56 AM #31
lol spec wars is crazy. What exactly will Samsung S4 do that S3 cannot? I have a sony xperia S with what you call "2011" hardware. I am yet to use any app that challenges the 1.5 ghz dual core CPU or a game that lags on this. Except for brag value, there isn't much to gain. And if you want a mobile just for bragging, Vertu will be better, not the Samsung
- 12-13-12, 12:02 PM #32
Top of the line hardware and big numbers help sell phones. If it makes a difference in performance or not. Right or wrong, bragging helps. Pushing the limits on hardware is a big part of what got Samsung where they are today.
- 12-13-12, 12:23 PM #33
Blackberry10 low end device?
the average consumer does not give a monkeys about hardware specs. i used to think we needed better processors but then i spoke to my friends who are not tech minded. they do not care about how much ghz a device has. they dont know what ghz is, and they dont want to know.
the average consumer will care mainly about 3 things on a smartphone, apps, battery life, and speed of the internet. to me and you, specs will give you an idea of how the phone will do in regards to battery life and speed. but the average consumer just wants laymans terms. can it do it well, yes or no.
the other thing to remember about average consumer is they wont pay for something they dont need. they wont buy a 1.4ghz processor if they know a 1.2ghz processor is all they need.
bb will need cheap devices for bb10, if they dont have an entry level device that is affordable to the masses they may as well pack it in. entry level devices is what has helped rim increase their customer base. it is needed to introduce the average consumer to bb10.
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- 12-13-12, 12:49 PM #34
Exactly. So those who just want specs will go with Samsung anyway. Or the rumored insane 6" Sony with 3GB RAM. Cannot compete with those. iPhone 5 seems to do well with the "2011" hardware. So it will come down to how the user experience is. If it is smooth and runs all important apps, it doesn't matter what hardware it has. Let Samsung do what they do best.. Trying to make a mobile phone that runs Crysis
- 12-13-12, 10:32 PM #35
What I've realized is that it's not specs that get the masses to buy phones.
It's the sales rep in carrier stores/kiosks that do.
Us enthusiasts do our homework and make decisions for ourselves, but it's the masses that go in with a vague idea of what they want, and walk out with what sales rep sold them. I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone say they bought an iPhone because the rep told them it could do _______ or had ______, and in reality the person had to buy an accessory, third party product, or pay for an app of some sort for them to get what they really wanted.
Rep: "Yeah, my $600 iPhone takes stellar images, just look at these high quality pictures. This has a whopping 5 Mega Pixel camera. That means you can take REALLY high quality pictures with this phone because the more mega pixels the better your pictures will look!"
*shows pictures on computer/iPad screen*
Customer: "Wow! I'll take it"
*sale is completed*
Rep: "Oh yeah, I forgot to mention I paid about $60 for an aftermarket lens that fits on this case, and I had a spotlight providing ideal lighting, and I used X app that cost me $5 to make it look like that..."
- 12-14-12, 12:27 AM #36
Specs are wonderful things which only techies really care about.
Real customers are going to be walking into the stores and saying "Where are the new BlackBerrys?" followed a short time later by "Wow, where do I sign?".
- 12-14-12, 03:21 AM #37
- 12-14-12, 05:12 AM #38
Blackberry10 low end device?
Android is the Dump truck of Smartphones. It needs a big diesel engine to get from 0-80 were as BlackBerry10 is more like a Mercedes. Fine tuned and engineered like a work of art.
Why cram a HUGE diesel engine in a Mercedes when it doesn't need it? Android uses the hardware it does because it has too. Its anything but an efficient OS. The proof will be in the pudding. BlackBerry10 will launch and the OS will fly.
You can compare it anyway you want and "lol" at every other sentence you type but the fact remains that Qnx is anything but Android and operates much more efficiently therefore it would be foolish for RIM to "over do" the hardware.
Its not a spec race its an experience race. BlackBerry will deliver a better user experience and do it without the need of the latest and greatest chip set.
You see that as a fail? Common sense tells you different but some folks lack common sense and only see cores.
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- 12-14-12, 05:26 AM #39
- 12-14-12, 08:11 AM #40
I find it funny that people judge phones, devices, computers on spec's alone and find it to be the determining factor in their world. You can have TB's of RAM and a 1 THz processor and your phone can still lag if the OS is crap.
- 12-14-12, 09:58 AM #41
Have you ever used an Android phone? Vanilla Android is very well put together. Especially Jellybean. OEM are the ones who add their crap to it that makes it "piece meal". Let RIM open source their OS and lets see how customizing their OS goes for them.
The Iphone sub par specs imo, can be related to their core OS never changing since day one. Its design to do one thing at a time, and it only works on one phone. People forget that Google has only been in the OS game for 4.5 years vs RIM 11 plus years vs. Apples 30+ years.
Not taking sides but I am just saying.
- 12-14-12, 10:00 AM #42
- 12-14-12, 10:09 AM #43
- 12-14-12, 10:19 AM #44
What I am concerned about is the older hardware can give a bad first impression. I have heard from people that went into a Verizon wireless store during the week that the 9930 launched and tried to buy one, only to hear "that phone has horrible hardware", "that phone is still using a single core while everyone else has moved to dual core", "that phone is so slow" or "why buy that when you can get this with much better hardware and more apps".
The 9930 was behind in hardware and people pointed it out. It was very well optimized and provided a great experience in my opinion, by far the best experience of any BlackBerry Smartphone launched to date. It also had an amazing unified inbox, the only problem is no one cared. People still didn't buy them. People still just thought of it as a old phone that sucked. A big part of that could have been because the initial impression was this phone has old hardware. BlackBerry devices wont sell by the user experience alone. People's opinions of BlackBerry is pretty horrible at the moment. I proved that for myself pretty well. RIM isn't Apple, the iPhone can sell because of it's hype and user experience. Everyone else is in a spec race though. Samsung is beating out Apple now. Samsung is in the spec race, and they are on track to sell a million phones per day for this year.
My fear is people wont even give BlackBerry 10 a fair chance simply because of its hardware. As a sales rep, which device would be easier to recommend to a potential customer - the $150 Samsung Galaxy S3 with a newly rebuilt and optimized OS, over 700,000 apps, and industry leading hardware? or the $200 - $300 BlackBerry 10 device that is "optimized"? That's my concern. The outdated hardware is a blemish on an otherwise great device. It is one thing that could cause buyers to be hesitant. Now how exactly would a quad-core processor and 2GB of ram hurt sales? It wouldn't, the user experience would only be improved with current hardware and people would be able to say "great hardware and great software". People keep proclaiming optimization is key, well why can't an OS be optimized using better hardware? One less reason for people not to buy a BlackBerry 10 device is a always a good thing in my opinion.
IF BlackBerry don't have it: I don't need it, it's stupid, that's a waste.
Once BlackBerry finally does get it: Wow this is the greatest thing ever, look at how cool my BlackBerry is!
- 12-14-12, 11:10 AM #47
Maybe you should reserve judgement on the phone until it is announced with the official specs and pricing. Right now all we have are leaked specs that may or may not be final. Here are the only things we know for sure: 4.2" 1280x768 screen, dual core CPU, 1800 mAH battery. We know that the Dev Alpha has an OMAP4470, but that doesn't mean with 100% certainty that the L will have it. RIM could throw in an OMAP5430 (Dual Core A15, Dual Core M4, MultiCore SGX544 GPU) and it will be 100% backwards compatible software wise with anything written for the OMAP 4470 ( I don't think it is likely, but it is still a possibility and the dual core 4470 is outperforming quad core Tegra 3 chips anyway). Maybe the Dev Alpha devices will be Curve grade devices and RIM used them to develop for to make sure the low end device would be capable of running the first round of apps. So many possibilities and yet so much "definitive" speculation.
- 12-14-12, 11:45 AM #48
The iPhone is even worse off for specs than what you describe, yet you decided to take a shot at BlackBerry. The QNX RTOS does not require inflated Android specs to run way smoother than ICS or Jelly Bean. That's the whole point; Apple has proven that specs are not important, it's the experience.
So b!tch about specs all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the BB10 L-series will be a premium device with a polished, fluid, and UNIQUE experience - and all your 1080p Octa-core Android ph[ablets]ones will remain a dime a dozen. (PS the human eye can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p from 10 inches away from your face...so good thing HTC and Samsung are spending money making 440 ppi screens....)
- 12-14-12, 11:47 AM #49
- 12-14-12, 11:52 AM #50
There is no easy answer for RIM, that is why they are in the position they are in now. RIM simply isn't able to compete with the Android OEMs like Samsung or LG. RIM wants to keep high margins, but that hasn't been working out for them lately. Which is really unfortunate. The off-contract price for a new BlackBerry smartphone is already ridiculously high when all things are considered. My BlackBerry Bold 9930 will cost you $509 off contract. Prices are less from other sources, but at launch, it was $500 + or nothing. That kinda makes the Note 2 seem cheap in comparison. And RIM's price is high with them still getting a stream of revenue each month off of BIS or BES from the device. Meanwhile, devices like the Galaxy Stellar, which has nearly Dev Alpha level hardware in every category except screen resolution and isn't subsidized at all, was only $300 off contract on launch day. And that's from Samsung, who doesn't have a reacquiring revenue stream coming in from each activated device like RIM does. RIM needs to find a way to become competitive again. Cause the high end price for a low end device doesn't work any more. If a 9930 costs $509 what will an Aristo cost off contract?
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