- 11-20-12, 02:14 PM #51
Sometimes the needs of the many out way the needs of the few (or one). We live in a Society that includes a wide range of peoples - most are law abiding, but some are not. Technology is getting to the point where an individual or small group can harm a large number of people. Like it or not the agencies that we expect to protect us need access to information in real time, not a couple of hours or days from now in some cases.
- 11-20-12, 02:40 PM #55
Yes, it does make me feel better to believe that. No technology is perfect, but encryption provides the people I serve the best possible protection. If confidential material in my possession, custody, or control is decrypted by anyone except those who are entitled to access it, there had better be a pretty dang good reason for it - and I strongly doubt any court would find in favor of such illegal and unethical behavior.
Plain and simple - get a warrant. Prove to a court that probable cause exists. That, friend, is how our system works - or how it is supposed to work, excepting all the previous erosions of our constitutional rights.
The rest of the argument is but one side of the debate whether security or privacy is more important, a side with which I obviously disagree.
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11-20-12, 04:10 PM #56
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It wasn't to long ago that we had the London riots which was carried out by a mindless mob useing BBM as their comunication method. Since then many have been brought to justice with the help of BBM records etc. It was absolutly right that this was used, RIM was right to give access. I personally have no worries about being monitored as such. It was muted on this thread about confidentiallity, encryption, etc. As many of my rants have said my material cannot go to a cloud/server out of the EU area so I use BlackBerry to keep all my data safe on my computer. Any sensitive health data on e-mails is always password protected or encrypted. I am also pleased that in the UK any traffic in paedophilia is monitored.
I think that the question for me is about the integrety of those who monitor us in relation to "the agenda", for humanitarian, or security purposes or indeed enquirey rooted/linked to political issues for example "election".
- 11-20-12, 04:45 PM #59
I don't think you can avoid the cloud unless you just never get online. I'm sure there is nothing they would find of importance or wrong with anything I do unless they are against pron or something and it is that way for most people. If they are snooping thru my stuff though with no probable cause or anything to go on other than they are just snooping that is when I have trouble with it. If they have something to go on then get a warrant, how long would that take?, and do it.
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11-20-12, 06:06 PM #60
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[QUOTE=bitek;7738627]happy to live north of the border in Canada. sorry to say that but USA and UK are police states
Maybe, I think it's difficult all round but at least we are aware of the involvement. I'm sure other countries employ similar processes, but do you know.
Bullying, defamation etc is abusive behavior, those who use these methods of controlling others actually in my view destroy freedom of speech.
Given that the rules are known those who choose to flaunt them are just asking for trouble.
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- 11-20-12, 07:41 PM #61
While I have nothing to hide, I have a real problem with the proposed legislation and this line of thinking. Are you serious when you say you wouldn't mind if the police came to your house for a quick 5 minute search? That is insane and is a blatant violation of you constitutional rights. I know you said that you were just being a devil's advocate, but I see absolutely no reasonable argument to support this line of thinking. Once you start giving up your rights to the government, the government will continue to take more and more, until your country looks like China, Iran or some other backwards Muslim country in the middle east where the people have next to no rights. No thanks, I prefer the New Hampshire motto: "live free or die."
- 11-20-12, 07:58 PM #62
Well no this doesn't make me feel differently about cloud storage. But the US government has no constitutional right to invade into our personal lives. This has nothing to do with cloud storage, but instead, government limits.
- 11-20-12, 09:17 PM #64
As long as there has been electronic communication, there has been government eavesdropping. They're just getting more brazen in how they do it. If you are truly concerned, use PGP to encrypt your email and to encrypt your files before you put them in the cloud. Use tor to browse the internet. Etc.
- 11-20-12, 10:01 PM #66
Right or wrong, if the government really wants to go through your stuff, they will find some way to do it. But there are a lot of internet users out there as well...the trick is to make it so that you're not deserving of their attention.
- 11-21-12, 12:01 AM #68
Ok, end rant.
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- 11-21-12, 12:50 AM #69
I am always fascinated when I read Canadians and Europeans pontificating about eroding rights in the United States. While that is troubling, and something I work against, you really might want to check into the details of your own house before criticizing another. To put it another way, here is a news flash for you. Even if this was to pass in its current form, which it will not, it needs to be reconciled through both houses of congress. Even if it was then signed in its current form, which it will not be, there would still be better and more transparent protections than in most of the home countries of those doing the criticizing. Ever notice how US intelligence agencies often get better counterterrorism data from other governments than they get from sources in the US? Perhaps you might want to ponder just how private your own data is....
- 11-21-12, 01:03 AM #70
- 11-21-12, 01:16 AM #71
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- 11-21-12, 01:43 AM #74
I quite frankly detest the phrase, "for the greater good", not that I am hard hearted, nor do I wish ill on others, but that is the rallying cry whenever "THEY" want to take from me, for "Their" use. (Be that money, information, rights, or what have you.) The other phrase I detest is "If you are not guilty, why would you mind if....?" To get things back to the question at hand, I never assume that any information, be it in letter form, email, telephone,or social media, is "safe from prying eyes." That way, I am not caught short. Just my paranoid thinking. Remember, just because one is paranoid, does not mean they are NOT out to get you. Sleep well, THEY are protecting us.
- 11-21-12, 02:25 AM #75
I just wonder if the people who don't think this is a big deal, or don't mind googles data-mining, would they like a government agent or company employee looking over their shoulder taking notes of everything they do on the internet.
Even with BB or any device I feel the need to be wary but I know I say things I wouldn't want the whole world/a company/ the government to know. Its hard to constantly be thinking someone might hear every single thing you say, remarks are often made in emotional situations or in situations where one may simply be making conversation. I feel for the most part I don't have strong opinions or beliefs on most subjects (aside from thinking RIM rules!) so I would definitely be concerned with eavesdropping if the time comes I do have strong believes on highly-charged topics, or if in future employment or careers my previous statements/opinions no matter how strongly/weakly held then or now could be used in arugments against me even if they were irrelevant.
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