[TgeekB]

Let the numbers speak for themselves.

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What numbers? Give us the real numbers of how many Android users have had their bank account drained. If it's higher than what I think it is I guarantee I will leave Android for good. I'm not stupid.

Everything I say is my OPINION and is based on my experiences and what I have learned. It is not meant to attack but to drive meaningful conversation. Let's all be civil!

[TgeekB]

In this case yes, it's a major pot hole anyone turning a blind eye is being silly, Yes Texas should, seeing that it occurred last winter, see how well prepared they were?

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No they should not because it rarely happens. It would be a waste of time and money.

Everything I say is my OPINION and is based on my experiences and what I have learned. It is not meant to attack but to drive meaningful conversation. Let's all be civil!

[lift]

Evilguppy, I feel the exact same way. Thanks for a such a good write-up.

[crackbrry fan]

What numbers? Give us the real numbers of how many Android users have had their bank account drained. If it's higher than what I think it is I guarantee I will leave Android for good. I'm not stupid.

Everything I say is my OPINION and is based on my experiences and what I have learned. It is not meant to attack but to drive meaningful conversation. Let's all be civil!

There are numbers do some home work
http://m.blogs.computerworld.com/mob...es-risk-being-

http://blog.credit.com/2013/08/scamm...ng-smartphone/

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/cons...ims-f1C8989252

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[crackbrry fan]

No they should not because it rarely happens. It would be a waste of time and money.

Everything I say is my OPINION and is based on my experiences and what I have learned. It is not meant to attack but to drive meaningful conversation. Let's all be civil!

Sure. Is that why the institutions constantly spend millions to secure and prevent issues? Good thinking on your part waste of time and money.

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[donnation]

So if I'm using a BB10 device not on BES then I have zero security issues to worry about?

[crackbrry fan]

So if I'm using a BB10 device not on BES then I have zero security issues to worry about?

No you still should take the necessary precautions. However risk are lower even without BES, the issue of Android running on BlackBerry is a case where the user needs to be fully aware.

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[donnation]

No you still should take the necessary precautions. However risk are lower even without BES, the issue of Android running on BlackBerry is a case where the user needs to be fully aware.

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What are the necessary precautions?

[crackbrry fan]

What are the necessary precautions?

In particular downloads from certain sites, app permissions etc.

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[donnation]

In particular downloads from certain sites, app permissions etc.

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Right, which are the exact same precautions every android user should take. It's called common sense.

[raino]

It's acted like in here if you own a BB then you are protected from any type of data theft in any situation. And if you aren't using BES how secure is your Blackberry anyway?

There's app security, and then there's device/OS level security.

New iOS 7 lock screen flaw opens up iPhones, iPads in seconds | ZDNet
Your Android phone may be telling strangers where you've been - The Times of India
New iPhone lock screen flaw gives hackers full access to contact list data | ZDNet
IPhone bug leaves emails vulnerable - May. 6, 2014
Apple's goto fail needs a massive culture change to fix | ZDNet

[donnation]

There's app security, and then there's device/OS level security.

New iOS 7 lock screen flaw opens up iPhones, iPads in seconds | ZDNet
Your Android phone may be telling strangers where you've been - The Times of India
New iPhone lock screen flaw gives hackers full access to contact list data | ZDNet
IPhone bug leaves emails vulnerable - May. 6, 2014
Apple's goto fail needs a massive culture change to fix | ZDNet

I'm not disputing any of that. I'm disputing the notion that if you own a BB you have no security issues to worry about. Everyone does and always will and it's a fact of life. You can choose to live in society and deal with it, or live in a bubble and preach about the dangers lurking around the corner. How many users have a gmail account, purchase things online, swipe their credit cards, have a Facebook account, etc. Pretending that if you own a BB you are "secure" is as nonsensical as it to say that because my house has locks on it no one is ever going to break into it and steal anything. If you don't use common sense then that's the users fault. If I give an ***** a non BES Blackberry and tell him to download any Android app he wants and he grants all the permissions he wants then he could potentially have a problem if he downloads shady apps from unknown sources. Blackberry nor anyone else can't stop that from happening of the user doesn't have common sense.

[raino]

I'm not disputing any of that. I'm disputing the notion that if you own a BB you have no security issues to worry about. Everyone does and always will and it's a fact of life. You can choose to live in society and deal with it, or live in a bubble and preach about the dangers lurking around the corner. How many users have a gmail account, purchase things online, swipe their credit cards, have a Facebook account, etc. Pretending that if you own a BB you are "secure" is as nonsensical as it to say that because my house has locks on it no one is ever going to break into it and steal anything. If you don't use common sense then that's the users fault. If I give an ***** a non BES Blackberry and tell him to download any Android app he wants and he grants all the permissions he wants then he could potentially have a problem if he downloads shady apps from unknown sources. Blackberry nor anyone else can't stop that from happening of the user doesn't have common sense.

Agreed. Nobody is 100% secure. However, if your device runs BB10, IMHO, it is more secure than Android, and most likely iOS as well. And this is before any apps.

[anon8656116]

Lots of people claim security is the last thing they care for whenever a blackberry user talks about it. They mostly say: I have nothing to hide or be afraid about. Well here's argument: let's see when someone gets inside ur house and steal most of your belongings and tell us then: well I have had nothing to hide!!

That’s some odd statement. I care about security and my privacy, but there is no system that could completely satisfy me, not even BlackBerry 10. Instead, I settle for an acceptable level of security that is equally met by iOS and Android. If you adhere to basic security practices and use your common sense, your device is reasonably secure. If there is a security vulnerability, which can happen on every system, then you should take necessary precautions to stay safe and keep yourself informed. For instance, the lock-screen vulnerabilities on iOS can always be prevented if certain features or lock-screen access are turned off. There is then at least the benefit that such vulnerabilities are widely reported, making it less likely to miss them. Likewise, BlackBerry 10 had some issues with Adobe Flash, OpenSSL/Heartbleed and even BlackBerry Protect. There you need to inform yourself more carefully to become aware of this.

I am of the opinion that BlackBerry 10, without enterprise security, isn’t significantly more secure than any other system. It’s certainly no reason for me to buy a BlackBerry device. Vulnerabilities exist and frauds are as common on BlackBerry as they are elsewhere.

[avt123]

Wow this thread starts with an awful analogy and then is followed up with fear mongering.

People do care about security, it's just not the number one priority on every consumers list. They would rather have everything else and settle with adequate security. It's a really simple concept. It seems like most users are getting hacked because of the companies service they were using has a vulnerability, not because someone hacked directly into their iOS or Android device to steal their credit card information.

I really doubt both Apple and Google would sit around just watching and hearing stories about their users being selectively targeted by device. There is usually more to it.

[insandouts]

Lots of people claim security is the last thing they care for whenever a blackberry user talks about it. They mostly say: I have nothing to hide or be afraid about. Well here's argument: let's see when someone gets inside ur house and steal most of your belongings and tell us then: well I have had nothing to hide!!

Powered by Blackberry

I care about security and have 3 different platforms. Blackberry, IOS, and Private OS(Blackphone) and none of my phone was ever hacked. Listen, if a professional hacker or the NSA wants to hack your phone no platform or server is safe, period. This notion that the Blackberry is safe is simply bogus because times and times again it has been proven wrong. The best way to protect your privacy is not to store any sensitive information on your phone or computer, just store it in your brain - they cannot tap that yet.

[I_heart_ME]

... If a stores data is compromised and you purchased from that store then you are at risk.

It's acted like in here if you own a BB then you are protected ...

... If I own a BB and buy something off of Amazon's website from my BB and then Amazon's website gets hacked well guess what my info is just as at risk as everyone else's.

... If you have a gmail account on your BB and gmail is hacked, you've been hacked too ...

You seem really smart about security, so I'll ask you. If I don't use android apps on my BlackBerry, and I have a gmail account on my BlackBerry, and gmail (some server at google) is hacked, can the hacker get to the pictures on my BlackBerry? What about if I password lock my BlackBerry and even encrypt it? Are my pictures on my BlackBerry protected?

[donnation]

You seem really smart about security, so I'll ask you. If I don't use android apps on my BlackBerry, and I have a gmail account on my BlackBerry, and gmail (some server at google) is hacked, can the hacker get to the pictures on my BlackBerry? What about if I password lock my BlackBerry and even encrypt it? Are my pictures on my BlackBerry protected?

I'm not smart about security, the things I listed are just common sense things. And to answer your question if you have your pictures stored in googles cloud then yes they could be but not on your device. But your question doesn't make any sense. If someone hacks gmail a server that doesn't mean they have access to anyone's photos on Android or iOS either so I'm not sure what your saying.

[I_heart_ME]

I'm not smart about security, the things I listed are just common sense things. And to answer your question if you have your pictures stored in googles cloud then yes they could be but not on your device. But your question doesn't make any sense. If someone hacks gmail a server that doesn't mean they have access to anyone's photos on Android or iOS either so I'm not sure what your saying.

Well, I just want to know if the stuff on my BlackBerry is secure. That's why I brought up the part about android and not having any because everyone knows that google mines all the stuff on your android phone anyway so nah your stuff is not so secure on an android because android is anyway hacked by google. I want to know if the stuff on my BlackBerry is secure. And ya obviously if a google server is hacked my gmail and whatever I have there is vulnerable even if I don't have a mobile phone and only have a computer.

[vegetto_456]

Lots of people claim security is the last thing they care for whenever a blackberry user talks about it. They mostly say: I have nothing to hide or be afraid about. Well here's argument: let's see when someone gets inside ur house and steal most of your belongings and tell us then: well I have had nothing to hide!!

Powered by Blackberry

You're comparing two quite different things. In fact you're equating the importance of smartphone security to that of security of our home :/
Silliest comparison I have ever seen. You just negatively characterized a large swath of people based only on their prerogative to not use blackberry phones. Whatever gets you through the day I suppose

[red_devil_fan_1999]

Yes. "Excuse me, before I buy this do you use Blackberry BES for security?" "Oh you don't know what I'm talking about? Oh ok I will not buy then." Totally realistic to me.........

I'm waiting for the mass boycotts of stores and companies that don't use BlackBerry to "protect" them
That scenario is totally realistic with some of these ppl

[klingon]

This is the dumbest tread, what are you guys arguing about makes absolutely no sense.

[crackbrry fan]

Android fans all over a BlackBerry fan site. Fact is I posted links to vulnerability on various platforms. The point is simple do you want to use a device riddled with issues or do you want to use a secure device, simple. For some they are willing to take the risk ,till something occurs to change their minds and maybe ,just maybe then, they will face the reality. Fact is hackers aren't sitting down twiddling their thumbs. So the first question any reasonable person would do is ask ,do I take the risk? Yes there are millions of users, for me it isn't worth it. Once bitten twice shy. Then there is the group who thinks that it won't happen to them I say more power to them.

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[TgeekB]

There are numbers do some home work
http://m.blogs.computerworld.com/mob...es-risk-being-

http://blog.credit.com/2013/08/scamm...ng-smartphone/

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/cons...ims-f1C8989252

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No need to be a smart***. Just trying to have a conversation.

Nothing in any of those articles says any large numbers of people have had their bank account drained. I asked for specifics, not supposed vulnerability.

Everything I say is my OPINION and is based on my experiences and what I have learned. It is not meant to attack but to drive meaningful conversation. Let's all be civil!

[beckswali]

I really find the "i've got nothing to hide" argument laughable. So these people have never deleted their Internet history? Don't lock their phone? Don't use nick names instead of real names on the Internet? These are all acts of privacy, and it doesn't matter if it's your next door neighbour or the faceless "they" trying to have a peep, you choose to remain hidden because that is the majority of people's preference. And most of all we have made it a human right.

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