[Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes]

After being on this forum since 2007/2008 and joining in 2009 I would agree that RIM/BlackBerry has wasted a lot of money. With that being said I don't care how much they waste as long as they keep coming out with new hardware and software updates. After it's said and done I like BB10 and it suits my needs

[Toodeurep]

...I could go on and no doubt someone will chime in with the typical "usb pack" suggestion, etc. I've been all over this in other posts so the best i can say is that swappable battery is essential for some of us and we really shouldn't have to explain that. If BBRY want's my company's money, they'll make a device my company wants to buy. As it is, fixed battery is a deal breaker for my company. If the Q20 comes with fixed battery, our IT is pushing for an awful Casio with swappable battery. Yuck.

I'll be that person.

How can I stay fully engaged with my client if I am shutting down my device for 3 of 4 minutes to swap out the battery? A battery pack is the answer. Mine is 14,000mAh, the size of a deck of cards, can re-charge my Z10 many times and I never have to ask for someone's number and tell them I will call them back in 5 minutes.

I value a removable battery immensely, now I just value my battery pack more.

What we really need is a device with removable battery and a temporary cell in it that can keep the device going for about 2 minutes. We could just unmount the removable battery is the Settings or Battery panel and swap them out.

[lnichols]

In a perfect world, merging two teams' knowledge together would yield the best results.

In reality, it's not only knowledge they need to merge together, but also philosophy, belief, methodology, ambition, etc. Etc...

It may end up taking more time to came up with something half finished.

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Not only that, one team (BBOS) was in Waterloo, the other (QNX) in Ottawa. You can't buy a company and force the talent to move to a single location, and VTC can only get you so far. Other issue was that BlackBerry and QNX decided to use Adobe Air for the UI initially because that is what QNX Was using for infotainment systems, and then it was discovered that AIR is not a good mobile platform UI and they had to acquire TAT to develop Cascades and integrate it in, and then you are adding in a working group from Europe to the mix. It simply took too long to get these pieces working together properly, and some talent is always lost in buying companies.

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[Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes]

I'll be that person.

How can I stay fully engaged with my client if I am shutting down my device for 3 of 4 minutes to swap out the battery? A battery pack is the answer. Mine is 14,000mAh, the size of a deck of cards, can re-charge my Z10 many times and I never have to ask for someone's number and tell them I will call them back in 5 minutes.

I value a removable battery immensely, now I just value my battery pack more.

What we really need is a device with removable battery and a temporary cell in it that can keep the device going for about 2 minutes. We could just unmount the removable battery is the Settings or Battery panel and swap them out.

Interesting concept to have a capacitor type device that keeps the phone powered during battery replacement. Unfortunately it would cost too much

[MarsupilamiX]

I just have one question...
Where is BelfastD?

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[Toodeurep]

Interesting concept to have a capacitor type device that keeps the phone powered during battery replacement. Unfortunately it would cost too much

I've been thinking of it for a while, and yes very expensive. Maybe a "simpler" way would be a dual mounted battery system. One the larger and a second "watch sized" battery; rechargeable and removable as well. Again, the settings panel could be used to change the devices power source temporarily.

[Toodeurep]

After being on this forum since 2007/2008 and joining in 2009 I would agree that RIM/BlackBerry has wasted a lot of money. With that being said I don't care how much they waste as long as they keep coming out with new hardware and software updates. After it's said and done I like BB10 and it suits my needs

I tend to agree with this.

I go to a casino with $200. I gamble and grow that $200 into $10,000 all the while spending it wildly on drinks for everyone and new clothes from the gift shop. As the night continues on, about 1 am I am down to $1500. In my mind, I have "wasted" nothing.

[conite]

Thank you. Just look at Polar Bear looks like it will do the things OS7 did. My question is why wasn't this part of the BB10 when it came out?

The simple answer is that there were a thousand people like yourself, with a thousand different "requirements" for bb10 right out of the gate.

They tried to hit the ones that would give them the biggest bang for the development buck I suppose. Some people were therefore not going to get all they wanted. But bb10 was already 2 years late to the game, so delaying further was not an option.

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[aha]

Not only that, one team (BBOS) was in Waterloo, the other (QNX) in Ottawa. You can't buy a company and force the talent to move to a single location, and VTC can only get you so far. Other issue was that BlackBerry and QNX decided to use Adobe Air for the UI initially because that is what QNX Was using for infotainment systems, and then it was discovered that AIR is not a good mobile platform UI and they had to acquire TAT to develop Cascades and integrate it in, and then you are adding in a working group from Europe to the mix. It simply took too long to get these pieces working together properly, and some talent is always lost in buying companies.

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Didn't know that.

Not trying to defend BlackBerry here. But what's done is done and now I like the result. I truly believe they got a great foundation to build their 10 years plan on now, the platform is going to be even more amazing one year from now.

Again it took Apple 4 generations of devices to truly capture the market, 10.3 is their 3rd generation of software and passport is probably their 2nd or 3rd generation of hardware.

Z50 will be their 4th gen, that's the one so many people will have their eyes on.

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[Mr4aces]

In a perfect world, merging two teams' knowledge together would yield the best results.

In reality, it's not only knowledge they need to merge together, but also philosophy, belief, methodology, ambition, etc. Etc...

It may end up taking more time to came up with something half finished.

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Well said, but don't you think it could have been done under the right management.

[Mr4aces]

The simple answer is that there were a thousand people like yourself, with a thousand different "requirements" for bb10 right out of the gate.

They tried to hit the ones that would give them the biggest bang for the development buck I suppose. Some people were therefore not going to get all they wanted. But bb10 was already 2 years late to the game, so delaying further was not an option.

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I just edited my original posting.

I agree what done is done. My posting of this thread is how disappointed I am with BB10 (pre 11/2013 edition), how much wasted money and the poor management./

[Mr4aces]

I tend to agree with this.

I go to a casino with $200. I gamble and grow that $200 into $10,000 all the while spending it wildly on drinks for everyone and new clothes from the gift shop. As the night continues on, about 1 am I am down to $1500. In my mind, I have "wasted" nothing.

ROFL, been there done that. I like the "don't line"

[aha]

Well said, but don't you think it could have been done under the right management.

There is always room for improvement of course.

On the other hand, considering what they have achieved given the worsened market condition, the inherited baggage, the transition in leadership and direction, the hostile press environment, the expectations and pressure, I would say their effort in the past a few years has been epic.



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[idssteve]

I'll be that person.

How can I stay fully engaged with my client if I am shutting down my device for 3 of 4 minutes to swap out the battery? A battery pack is the answer. Mine is 14,000mAh, the size of a deck of cards, can re-charge my Z10 many times and I never have to ask for someone's number and tell them I will call them back in 5 minutes.

I value a removable battery immensely, now I just value my battery pack more.

What we really need is a device with removable battery and a temporary cell in it that can keep the device going for about 2 minutes. We could just unmount the removable battery is the Settings or Battery panel and swap them out.

Yeah, i keep a couple usb pack handy just for such occasions. Usually i can predict when the OEM pack is dying and make quick arrangements to re-call after swap. The party on the other end is typically ready for a 5 minute break after 4+ hrs on the phone. If expected, i routinely swap before the call just to be sure. The usb charging does work but you've added an appendage to the device that won't fit back into the holster and other issues. Believe me, everyone in my office has been ALL over this issue. There's no real substitute for swappable batts for us. Your mileage may vary.

If BBRY is determined to adopt Apple's way of doing it, we'll stick with our 9900's for as long as possible and then move to a swappable battery platform. Our IT has been pushing for a ruggedized Casio droid. An awful device that our field service department has been crying about for over a year. but... As important as the tool belt is to our operation, the swappable battery is even more essential for us. We're just hoping BBRY will one day see fit to provide BB10, tool belt AND swappable battery in a singe device. Here's to wishing.

[Mr4aces]

There is always room for improvement of course.

On the other hand, considering what they have achieved given the worsened market condition, the inherited baggage, the transition in leadership and direction, the hostile press environment, the expectations and pressure, I would say their effort in the past a few years has been epic.



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Yes, I agree JC is moving the company forward.

[idssteve]

Interesting concept to have a capacitor type device that keeps the phone powered during battery replacement. Unfortunately it would cost too much

Yeah, the "smart guys" in the office have fooled with supercaps for that. Get's tricky to retrofit. OEM could but $$ and too few consumers would ever use it. WE would use it but it's been too long since RIM/BBRY has listened to "we" so...

[idssteve]

They couldn't afford to do both. BBOS lost sales already had them thinking sell or bankrupt.

Yeah, i certainly had no inside info so you're probably right. They probably had no choice by that belated time. That said, the prevailing attitude of Blaming BBOS for that loss is like blaming a 30 yr old horse for loosing the race. lol. The fault wasn't the horse's. The fault was the fool that didn't enter the 3 yr old when he had the chance and was forced to run the 30 yr old because that's all he had.

[lnichols]

I just have one question...
Where is BelfastD?

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iMore?

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[lnichols]

Z50 will be their 4th gen, that's the one so many people will have their eyes on.

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There is no proof that a Z50 is still in the plans. We don't even know how much longer Chen will stay in the phone game and not just transition to and MDM and mobile messaging company. My fear is that the Passport and the Classic sales will determine BlackBerry's fate in the smartphone business from Chen's perspective, and I personally think neither will sell well. Just like they abandoned the tablet business because they never released a complete product, they may not have the patience to see Bb10 through either.

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[daved31415]

We all have our opinions. There are several features I miss from the Curve but the OS was antiquated. The features I miss could have easily been included in BB10. You didn't mention a single feature I care about and I don't care about the features you mentioned. We're just dealing with normal change which involves things, well, changing. Sometimes for better and, well, you know the other half.

I believe the great BlackBerry exodus was in large part caused by the OS being antiquated. BB10 is a bit late to the game but after years of using Android I am happy to have a BlackBerry which is compatible enough with me for daily use. I still carry an Android device to use via hotspot for navigation. The Q10 is by far the best phone I've ever owned. If it ran Google Maps and Google Voice natively I would thrown the Android in the trash. The gestures and keyboard make navigation a breeze. No searching for apps in lists of icons. No tapping on glass screen to type. Love it.

I don't expect to see BlackBerrys on the streets again. It is not a social phone. I hope it is enough to win over business professionals who migrated to other phones and are now cussing daily as they try to type with an on-screen keyboard. Unfortunately, I've noticed that a lot of those people typed slow to begin with and don't notice nearly as much of a difference as some of us.

[idssteve]

There is no proof that a Z50 is still in the plans. We don't even know how much longer Chen will stay in the phone game and not just transition to and MDM and mobile messaging company. My fear is that the Passport and the Classic sales will determine BlackBerry's fate in the smartphone business from Chen's perspective, and I personally think neither will sell well. Just like they abandoned the tablet business because they never released a complete product, they may not have the patience to see Bb10 through either.

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Hmm... that paragraph, and lines between, managed to sink into my thick scull. Thank you. I for one will be buying a PP and a Q20 for personal use. Convincing my company is the uphill slide, tho.

[matador22]

There is no proof that a Z50 is still in the plans. We don't even know how much longer Chen will stay in the phone game and not just transition to and MDM and mobile messaging company. My fear is that the Passport and the Classic sales will determine BlackBerry's fate in the smartphone business from Chen's perspective, and I personally think neither will sell well. Just like they abandoned the tablet business because they never released a complete product, they may not have the patience to see Bb10 through either.

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I'm going to carry two phones as long as I can. One legacy BlackBerry device and 1 newer android or ios device. There just isn't one device to rule them all. Haha

Also I also fear BlackBerry ending it's production of handsets in 2 years. Everything depends on the next 2-3 years tops. 10 million sold is the goal!

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[MarsupilamiX]

There is no proof that a Z50 is still in the plans. We don't even know how much longer Chen will stay in the phone game and not just transition to and MDM and mobile messaging company. My fear is that the Passport and the Classic sales will determine BlackBerry's fate in the smartphone business from Chen's perspective, and I personally think neither will sell well. Just like they abandoned the tablet business because they never released a complete product, they may not have the patience to see Bb10 through either.

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I agree with you.
The Classic and PP are very probably, very important for the future of the handset division.

The Classic will have exactly 0 appeal, outside of the regulated industries and the Passport is a huge "question mark".

So yeah, we may very well not see a Z50.
From all the data we have, focusing on the keyboard niche is just a huge mistake and nothing else.
The business niche is already small enough, but to go after the niche within a niche, is ridiculous in a market that is dominated by about 99.5% by all touch devices.

To not have a real touchscreen flagship, no low-cost device, and a focus on the keyboard, are all huge mistakes.

BBOS?
Sad enough that it still lives and hasn't been declared EOL.
BBOS was and still is road to nowhere.
An OS, that has been rejected after Android and iOS made their entrance.
A paradigm, that has been discarded a long time ago.
To demand that there should have been more development for BBOS, suggests an immense misunderstanding of where the market was heading back in the day.

Honestly, the best outcome would have been that BlackBerry would have lived some years and then disappear into nothingness, if BBOS users would have been the ones BB10 specifically catered to.

Most BBOS users are either in emerging markets or got their handsets from their employer.
And both demographics have enough of BBOS as well.

All the money "poured" into BB10, was to ensure a future for BlackBerry handsets.
Every $ poured into BBOS, and not BB10, would have ensured the demise of the company.
"Nobody" (except the 5 guys in this thread) actually likes BBOS anymore.
The whole experience is antiquated, when you want more than writing emails. And over 99% of users today, fall in that category.

BBOS was going nowhere, and that is de facto the end of the story.
Some may still like BBOS and whine one every occasion that there is OS8, but the reality is, that BBOS ruined BlackBerry long before BB10 hit the street and would have destroyed the company by now.

Why there is no BB10 uptake and why the negative growth accelerated under BB10? That's a simple one:
Because people wanted to see if BB10 could compete with iOS and Android.
Everyone knew, that BBOS can't, so the public waited for BB10.
After it became clear that BB10 can't, potential customers just bought something else.

There is no place for an OS that can't compete with iOS and Android, it's that simple.
And BBOS, would have been the last OS to ever achieve that.

Sadly, BB10 came about 5 years too late...

Ps:
What the hell is a gesture phone?

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[aha]

There is no proof that a Z50 is still in the plans. We don't even know how much longer Chen will stay in the phone game and not just transition to and MDM and mobile messaging company. My fear is that the Passport and the Classic sales will determine BlackBerry's fate in the smartphone business from Chen's perspective, and I personally think neither will sell well. Just like they abandoned the tablet business because they never released a complete product, they may not have the patience to see Bb10 through either.

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When things get tough, the tougher keeps going. This is the time calling for toughness from BlackBerry.

I don't know if BlackBerry will go through Passport and Classic and see Z50 or whatever they call it, but I love my Z30 and hope I don't have to upgrade to a different platform afterward.

Let's keep believing.



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[Bbnivende]

Belfastdispatcher has a twitter account. His main hobby now appears to be....film cameras.