[hunterweatherly]

So assuming that the bold 9700 won't get OS 6.0 do you think we will still be able to download the webkit browser ? The same way we download Opera mini ?

[ihawkeyes]

It would be nice if all the devices with less than 512mb and not able to use os6, that RIM would update 5.0 for everyone with webkit browser. I can only hope.

[Pi Guy 3.14]

6.0 WILL work on the 9700...

[hunterweatherly]

Are you sure ? How do you know this ?

[Pi Guy 3.14]

Why wouldn't it?

[BoldtotheMax]

Might not work with touchscreen's...well might work, but how well is the question? We won't have very much room for apps, that is for sure.

I am hoping it will work as I really would like to run 6.0, but not if it makes my phone run like crap.

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[syb0rg]

Why wouldn't it?

Because with all the "refreshes" coming out, it's looking like RIM knows a little more that we do. and with all the added RAM.... makes you think.

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[Pi Guy 3.14]

Yeah, makes you think, that they wanna sell more products...

[BerrySteveBerry]

Sad day when rim turn to being a real consumer company stitching everyone up who's bought not even half a year old devices lol,oh well.

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[mniniSnowta]

I pose we won't know tell rim makes it offical

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[syb0rg]

Yeah, makes you think, that they wanna sell more products...

I don't think it has anything to do with that.

I think it's funny that we see
1) OS6 image leaks
2) news of the 9800 with 5xxMb of Ram
3) then we start seeing refreshes of all the existing devices.

IF OS6 would run on the current devices, and leave ample room of memory space why are the refreshes needed?

It just doesn't make sense to me.

Granted the OS6 may work on the 9700. but with the same processor and more RAM which of the two 9700/9780 do you think will run like it should, like it shows in different leaked videos?!?!

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[syb0rg]

I pose we won't know tell rim makes it offical

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you my friend hit the nail right square smack dab in the middle of the head.

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[Pi Guy 3.14]

IF OS6 would run on the current devices, and leave ample room of memory space why are the refreshes needed?

Theres a perfect explanation for everything... Not meaning it has to be logical in everyones eyes...

The 9650 was made after the 9700... so what were they supposed to do? Hault the 9700 completely until they remanufactured them with 512? Or just put 256 in the 9650 to equally match the 9700? Shoulda woulda coulda put 512 in the 9700 in the first place, but they didn't and thats where we're at now...

But seems logical to me to make a great device better....

[syb0rg]

Theres a perfect explanation for everything... Not meaning it has to be logical in everyones eyes...

The 9650 was made after the 9700... so what were they supposed to do? Hault the 9700 completely until they remanufactured them with 512? Or just put 256 in the 9650 to equally match the 9700? Shoulda woulda coulda put 512 in the 9700 in the first place, but they didn't and thats where we're at now...

But seems logical to me to make a great device better....

The 9650 is the CDMA version of the 9700. Correct, as was the Tour, but it flopped and in the marketing industry you have to leave everything behind in the flop. the name, the number, every thing. so the 9650 is a revamp of the Tour. new bezel, new trackpad, same screen, same hard ware... just a few minor differences and new name. Why do i say that? pretty simple. The people that see Tour think "trackball problems, i don't want anything to do with that", and they see Bold "ohhh that's RIM's flagship phone..... nice piece of equipment"

But what about the Storm1 it was a flop. True but it was a ground breaking device. Touch screen + blackberry.... very cool. But they knew the flopped so they came out with the storm 2, new phone. Different Chip-Set + more refined OS = better phone.

to me - in my little world same phones with more RAM can only mean one thing. OS6 is a RAM hog.

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[michikade]

Theres a perfect explanation for everything... Not meaning it has to be logical in everyones eyes...

The 9650 was made after the 9700... so what were they supposed to do? Hault the 9700 completely until they remanufactured them with 512? Or just put 256 in the 9650 to equally match the 9700? Shoulda woulda coulda put 512 in the 9700 in the first place, but they didn't and thats where we're at now...

But seems logical to me to make a great device better....

It does seem logical to make a great device better, but it's no better if the hardware will be strained to the point of grinding to a halt at every command.

Right now, it's all speculation anyway. The only device we know for sure will get OS6 that is currently released is the 9650 - and leaked photos today prove that. Now, without a "Status" screen shot we can't tell how big OS6 really is, and how much of a memory hog it is, so we don't know enough details on that front to know if a device with 256mb can handle the OS.

A comparison is Win98 to Win2k. Windows 98 required 16mb of ram while Windows 2000 required 64mb. That 4x jump was within 21 months. Who's to say a doubling of ram wouldn't be required within 10 months? Technology moves more quickly these days then it did back then as consumer electronics are not as much of a new concept anymore.

[Pi Guy 3.14]

If it takes approx 200 mb to run 6.0 on the 9800, then why would it be any more on a 9700, or a 9650 for that matter?

[ttsoldier]

Here is the 9780 running OS6.



Now. If you're not good with maths, that is ok. I'll help you.
Free space is 306.
512-306 = 206.
This means OS 6 took up 206
256-206 =50.

This leaves us on the 9700 with 50mb.
Don't know bout you guys but I don't use much apps. After apps I'll be looking at about 30mb free.

It was done, and ran perfectly on 9000's with OS5. Why can't it be done on 9700's with OS6?

MY 2 cents.

[syb0rg]

If it takes approx 200 mb to run 6.0 on the 9800, then why would it be any more on a 9700, or a 9650 for that matter?

you just answered you own question
If it takes 200mb to run OS6, that would only leave 56MB for Applications/email/SMS/contacts/note pad/password keeper and such...

yea that seems like it would be a GREAT device with SUPER limited memory....

you just ended this debate by admitting that my theory is a valid one.

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[nexttry]

quick reply

[ttsoldier]

you just answered you own question
If it takes 200mb to run OS6, that would only leave 56MB for Applications/email/SMS/contacts/note pad/password keeper and such...

Please see the post above yours
Note pad/password keeper are included with the OS.
Email, SMS and contacts do NOT take up that much memory.

[michikade]

If it takes approx 200 mb to run 6.0 on the 9800, then why would it be any more on a 9700, or a 9650 for that matter?

So, you're willing to run a 200mb OS on a device with 256mb?

That doesn't leave any wiggle room whatsoever - one thing catches and your phone locks into an eternal hourglass of failure.

Now - maybe they'll come out with an OS6 Lite for devices with 256mb. That I can see, considering they have several devices with 256mb right now that aren't at end of life.

[Pi Guy 3.14]

Pretty sure that 200 includes all the standard OS apps....

And as said, you need approx 10-15 MB before you start seeing problems or issues... 50MB is enough for the average user...

[syb0rg]

Please see the post above yours
Note pad/password keeper are included with the OS.
Email, SMS and contacts do NOT take up that much memory.

we posted the exact same thing at the exact same time, it would of been impossible for me to read yours, type mine and post it within the same minuet

just means two minds are thinking alike.

[syb0rg]

Pretty sure that 200 includes all the standard OS apps....

And as said, you need approx 10-15 MB before you start seeing problems or issues... 50MB is enough for the average user...

as of right now OS 5 on the 9700 is apporx 124mb IIRC

That leave over 110mb for everything else...

56mb will not be enough for the typical user.

[ttsoldier]

as of right now OS 5 on the 9700 is apporx 124mb IIRC

That leave over 110mb for everything else...

56mb will not be enough for the typical user.

My 9700 has 140mb
It averages around 138 though.
A couple tweaks and OS6 will run fine.